Chiefs Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal - Page 4

Quesadilla Joe · 08-09-2014, 04:59 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals.

But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul.

"I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person.

It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts.

Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me."

Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees.

That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators.

The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue.

Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23).

But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford.

Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins?

"I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/

I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.

**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Just an opinion.

If he cared about money, he would just sign a short term deal. Those deals are big money up front.

He has always wanted to just be wanted.

Just an opinion of mine.

its the history he has shown.

Then it's silly to flop around here acting like your opinion has been proven correct.
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I think you are assuming its money. I believe its years.

Seeing as how he's already declined a deal worth $17M AAV, (reportedly) I'd say it's about both.

mcaj22 · 08-09-2014, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

It would seem the most logical to me that this is Hali's last year as a chief. They will use that money to sign Houston.

they would literally have only like a couple weeks when the new league year starts between cutting Hali and giving Houston that new deal before FA.

Probably around February of 2015. That's cutting it close

**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Seeing as how he's already declined a deal worth $17M AAV, (reportedly) I'd say it's about both.

Exactly, put the reports together and he wants the 100 million without giving us any out.
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**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If you really believe this, it's even MORE reason to cut bait and move on to a younger QB who can grow alongside these young players.

If we're that shitty, we don't need to play Alex Smith $20M per to win a few extra games with no real chance to win in January/February.

I don't believe its anywhere near that though.

I think he wants the years. I don't personally think its the money with him. This is realisitically, his last big contract.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Exactly, put the reports together and he wants the 100 million without giving us any out.
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Bingo.

jd1020 · 08-09-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I don't believe its anywhere near that though.

I think he wants the years. I don't personally think its the money with him. This is realisitically, his last big contract.

Give him 8 years and $8 million then. All guaranteed.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I don't believe its anywhere near that though.

I think he wants the years. I don't personally think its the money with him. This is realisitically, his last big contract.

If this is true, then it tells you what the team thinks of him.

And they'd be right. You can't commit years to a 30 year old guy whose been the epitome of average.

Cannot blame them for wanting an out - he's proven jack.

**SAUTO** · 08-09-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Bingo.

Well at least we haven't caved...

Yet.
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Give him 8 years and $8 million then. All guaranteed.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Then it's silly to flop around here acting like your opinion has been proven correct.
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well, it has actually.

his history has shown that.

He took a huge pay cut from his original deal because he was shown loyalty from Norv Turner right before turner left.

he was GONE from san Francisco before Jim harbaugh sweet talked him into staying.

Alex loves andy reid, he wants to stay here with Andy reid.

Again, yes, its my opinion, but its one that he has shown to be the way he operates.

**ptlyon** · 08-09-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Exactly, put the reports together and he wants the 100 million without giving us any out.
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Well then F him. Murray here we come.

**Mav** · 08-09-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If this is true, then it tells you what the team thinks of him.

And they'd be right. You can't commit years to a 30 year old guy whose been the epitome of average.

Cannot blame them for wanting an out - he's proven jack.

Well, I disagree slightly with the last part, but that may be right with the committing to him.

Shrugs.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-09-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Well at least we haven't caved...

Yet.
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The team holds ALL the leverage.

Which means they'll cave and give him a metric ****ton of cash all guaranteed, ****ing us for a half decade.

Discuss Thrower · 08-09-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I don't believe its anywhere near that though.

I think he wants the years. I don't personally think its the money with him. This is realisitically, his last big contract.

And if he gets his contract then Dorsey's ability to put the pieces around Alex to succeed aren't going to materialize.

Smith can win playoff games with pro-bowl level talent in a RB and TE, and with a top-3 defense... and defenses are about to be totally irrelevant with rule changes favoring offense).

08-09-2014, 04:59 PM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3848675	Chiefs' Alex Smith Doesn't Want Dalton's Deal The Kansas City Chiefs and the agent for quarterback Alex Smith have talked contract in the days since quarterback Andy Dalton got his extension from the Cincinnati Bengals. But Smith indicated Saturday he's not interested in the type of pay-as-you-go pact signed in recent months by Dalton and Smith's former San Francisco 49ers teammate, quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Smith wants a deal that ensures he stays in Kansas City for the long haul. "I want to get something that's right that I'm going to play out, absolutely, and that's definitely a focus of mine," Smith told USA TODAY Sports after Saturday's training camp practice. Chiefs general manager John Dorsey told USA TODAY Sports he last spoke to Smith's agent, Tom Condon of CAA, "a couple days ago," but declined to comment further other than to say he has "great respect" for Smith as a player and person. It's not surprising Smith, 30, wants stability, given the cycle of upheaval he has experienced as he enters his 10th NFL season and second with the Chiefs. He already has made a lot of money – more than $65 million, in part to his rookie deal as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft under the NFL's previous labor deal – and isn't at the same phase of his career as his younger, ascending counterparts. Asked directly if he'd sign Dalton's contract if the Chiefs offered it, Smith said, "We're on the record. That's a tough question. Certainly, I think it's a tough thing. I look at both Andy and Kap and they're both on their rookie deals. They're both second-round picks in the new rookie wage scale, so what were their salaries? It's a very different situation for me." Kaepernick – who took over as the 49ers' starter during the 2012 season, leading to the offseason trade that brought Smith to Kansas City – signed a six-year extension in June that gave him a $12 million raise in 2014 and then a series of year-to-year "rolling" guarantees. That provided the template for the six-year extension Dalton signed last week with the Bengals that gave him a $17 million raise in 2014, with no further guarantees and, like Kaepernick's pact, future base salaries that hinge on multimillion-dollar performance escalators. The result in each case: short-term reward for the player's early-career performance by wiping out the last year of a rookie contract that would've paid a little more than $1 million this coming season, and long-term protection for the team if the progress doesn't continue. Smith is due a $7.5 million base salary in 2014, the last year of a three-year pact he signed with the 49ers in 2012. He was a replacement Pro Bowl pick last season, when he set career highs in passing yards (3,313) and touchdowns (23). But Smith is probably closer to the level of Dalton – who will make about $42 million over the deal's first three years if he hits all the escalators – than the NFL's elite quarterbacks, and is older than the next-tier of fellow Condon clients Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford. Still, top-10 quarterback money means $16 million to $17 million a year, and that well may be the baseline for Smith's side in negotiations. Could a deal be struck before the regular season begins? "I would love that," Smith said. "I certainly don't want it to carry on into the regular season and be thinking about it. It's hard to. It's hard to be dealing with it and eliminate it always. It can become a distraction. Hopefully, it gets knocked out and I won't have to worry about it." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...nick/13834783/ I'm aware it's a Q, but this is thread worthy IMO because of the quotes from both Smith and Dorsey.
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