Chiefs HUGE gap with Houston - Page 4

**chiefforlife** · 08-05-2014, 04:15 PM

“Huge” gap exists between Chiefs, Justin Houston
Posted by Mike Florio on August 5, 2014, 4:28 PM EDT
Houston AP

Linebacker Justin Houston was sufficiently upset with the lack of a new contract to skip the offseason program. But he showed up for training camp, realizing that the best way to get paid is to complete the final year of his rookie deal.

The Chiefs rewarded Houston for honoring his current obligations by offering a new contract. Houston didn’t like it. Per a league source, a “huge” gap current exists between the team’s offer and Houston’s demands.

It’s unclear whether that gap will be closed before the season ends and the Chiefs have to decide whether to use the franchise tag. If they don’t work out new deals with Houston and Alex Smith, they’ll have to choose between them. Maybe the Chiefs will choose neither.

The team’s ultimate position on Houston will depend on the development of rookie Dee Ford. Currently, Ford is listed as the second-string right outside linebacker, behind Tamba Hali.
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**Anyong Bluth** · 08-05-2014, 07:32 PM

Still not worried. They're not letting him walk, and he'll get paid.

It's called negotiating, and it's just an opening offer. Is there going to be a story about our GM and front office upset and angry when Houston's agent throws out a completely impossible max dollar, top money contract; probably in the area of making him the highest paid defensive player in the league or around there?

Getting emotional about it when you have a contract you agreed to, or worked up about an initial offer, is just ignorant and silly. Justin will be making plenty of $$$ once they get serious about a deal. This is non-news.

**Gadzooks** · 08-05-2014, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

A team has too many pass rushers until they don't have enough pass rushers. Then it's much harder to field an aggressive defense.

Just ask Green Bay whenever Clay Matthews gets a crack in his glass vagina. Ask them why they seem so desperate to find a second quality pass rusher.

****, the Giants won two Super Bowls because they never stopped drafting pass rushers even when people said they didn't need any.

There's a big difference in what the Giants did compared to the Chiefs.

The Giants play a 4-3 and drafted a superior overall defensive line.
Here was their DL for the 2011 season.
95 Rocky Bernard DT
99 Chris Canty DT
97 Linval Joseph DT
73 Jimmy Kennedy DT
90 Jason Pierre-Paul DE
71 Dave Tollefson DE
69 Justin Trattou DE
91 Justin Tuck DE
72 Osi Umenyiora DE

It's ****ing genius when you consider Strahan was gone at that point.

The Chiefs D is totally dependent on their OLBs as evidenced by the collapse against the Chargers when Houston and Hali got boo boos.

To witness the pandering the Chiefs are doing for Houston should make you want to vomit as a fan yet you're all lulled into a state of bliss knowing you have players to carry the torch of DT.

It's sad...

OldSchool · 08-05-2014, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John Dope

I'm not surprised. He has a lot to prove imo. I posted my thoughts on this a while back. See below.

Precisely my thoughts about him. He's not the dominant player that people on this board make him out to be.

**Iowanian** · 08-05-2014, 08:19 PM

he needs to show that he can stay healthy. It would also be nice to see him show up regularly and in big games. He piled up sack numbers in relatively few games against rookie tackles like Joeckel.

If he puts in a full season of consistent play, he deserves to get paid next season. Until then, someone remind him that he's playing on the contract he has, because he was drafted where the Chiefs took him, because of his own bad choices. Shut up and play.

MMXcalibur · 08-05-2014, 08:22 PM

Good.
Let's sufficiently piss off Justin Houston.

**Iowanian** · 08-05-2014, 08:31 PM

They don't have the cap space to pay him what he wants even if they wanted to do so.

I think Bowe and or Hali are going to have to go for Houston and Smith to stay.

OldSchool · 08-05-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

They don't have the cap space to pay him what he wants even if they wanted to do so.

I think Bowe and or Hali are going to have to go for Houston and Smith to stay.

I think just Hali would do it. Either that or have him take an extension that cuts his pay & cap hit significantly.

Chief Roundup · 08-05-2014, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

he needs to show that he can stay healthy. It would also be nice to see him show up regularly and in big games. He piled up sack numbers in relatively few games against rookie tackles like Joeckel.

I agree here, but will add that most of the better pass rushers "pile up" sacks against weaker opponents.

OldSchool · 08-05-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I agree here, but will add that most of the better pass rushers "pile up" sacks against weaker opponents.

Yeah, but what separates the Elite pass rushers from those who are just good is the fact that they can do it against the best OTs in the business and not just scrubs and rookies in their first career games. I have yet to see Houston do anything more than just beat on scrubs and rookie OTs.

Chief Roundup · 08-05-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

I think just Hali would do it. Either that or have him take an extension that cuts his pay & cap hit significantly.

I think Hali would be the type to want to stay and take a moderate pay cut. I am not sure if that would be enough of a cap relief or not though. I also remember hearing something about a players salary could only be reduced by a certain percentage of the original salary number or something like that.
I also think Bowe would do a restructure for some bonus money.

Chief Roundup · 08-05-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yeah, but what separates the Elite pass rushers from those who are just good is the fact that they can do it against the best OTs in the business and not just scrubs and rookies in their first career games. I have yet to see Houston do anything more than just beat on scrubs and rookie OTs.

NOBODY had games where they piled up sacks against Willie Roaf, Orlando Pace, etc. the best OT's in the game.

**Iowanian** · 08-05-2014, 09:34 PM

If he puts up top 5 sacks this year, he deserves top 5 money.

O.city · 08-05-2014, 09:36 PM

He hasn't put up elite production as of yet (some opinions around here think not) but you're paying for the future that he likely will.

**RealSNR** · 08-05-2014, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He hasn't put up elite production as of yet (some opinions around here think not) but you're paying for the future that he likely will.

Exactly.

When everybody from Jeff ****ing Tuel to Peyton Manning was getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds on every play, what was Houston supposed to do?

The defense will improve (hopefully) and with that, Houston's sack numbers will go up.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-05-2014, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He hasn't put up elite production as of yet (some opinions around here think not) but you're paying for the future that he likely will.

Exactly.

That's why you pay young guys and let older guys walk.

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chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $6223147	HUGE gap with Houston “Huge” gap exists between Chiefs, Justin Houston Posted by Mike Florio on August 5, 2014, 4:28 PM EDT Houston AP Linebacker Justin Houston was sufficiently upset with the lack of a new contract to skip the offseason program. But he showed up for training camp, realizing that the best way to get paid is to complete the final year of his rookie deal. The Chiefs rewarded Houston for honoring his current obligations by offering a new contract. Houston didn’t like it. Per a league source, a “huge” gap current exists between the team’s offer and Houston’s demands. It’s unclear whether that gap will be closed before the season ends and the Chiefs have to decide whether to use the franchise tag. If they don’t work out new deals with Houston and Alex Smith, they’ll have to choose between them. Maybe the Chiefs will choose neither. The team’s ultimate position on Houston will depend on the development of rookie Dee Ford. Currently, Ford is listed as the second-string right outside linebacker, behind Tamba Hali. Permalink 13 Comments Feed for comments Latest Stories in: Kansas City Chiefs, Rumor Mill, Top Stories
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Anyong Bluth Deus ambulans inter homines Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $9649340	Still not worried. They're not letting him walk, and he'll get paid. It's called negotiating, and it's just an opening offer. Is there going to be a story about our GM and front office upset and angry when Houston's agent throws out a completely impossible max dollar, top money contract; probably in the area of making him the highest paid defensive player in the league or around there? Getting emotional about it when you have a contract you agreed to, or worked up about an initial offer, is just ignorant and silly. Justin will be making plenty of $$$ once they get serious about a deal. This is non-news. __________________ Suck it, *beautiful* Last edited by Anyong Bluth; 08-05-2014 at 07:41 PM..
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08-05-2014, 08:19 PM	#49
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4608454	he needs to show that he can stay healthy. It would also be nice to see him show up regularly and in big games. He piled up sack numbers in relatively few games against rookie tackles like Joeckel. If he puts in a full season of consistent play, he deserves to get paid next season. Until then, someone remind him that he's playing on the contract he has, because he was drafted where the Chiefs took him, because of his own bad choices. Shut up and play.
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MMXcalibur Pessimistically optimistic. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Denver, CO Casino cash: $1995086	Good. Let's sufficiently piss off Justin Houston.
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Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4608454	They don't have the cap space to pay him what he wants even if they wanted to do so. I think Bowe and or Hali are going to have to go for Houston and Smith to stay.
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08-05-2014, 09:34 PM	#57
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4608454	If he puts up top 5 sacks this year, he deserves top 5 money.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2344064	He hasn't put up elite production as of yet (some opinions around here think not) but you're paying for the future that he likely will.
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