2016-2017 NFL Coach/GM changes and hires

[BryanBusby]

Pagano wore out his tragedy card awhile ago.

He's just not a good coach and has been dealt the hand of a shitty manager. Luck is good yes, but the hype with him coming out was too much and he had expectations that are hard as hell to meet.

[Mile High Mania]

I could see McDaniels getting interest from Indy, should the fire Pagano. And, I don't want Chuck in Denver, I think he's lame.

One rumor for Denver was Vance Joseph, and I could be mistaken... think he is who they wanted before Kubiak agreed. I can't recall. *edit* Sounds like they wanted him to replace Del Rio a few years ago and Cincy said no.

[DJ's left nut]

Is Andrew Luck more Brett Favre than Tom Brady?

Could he evolve into the latter?

Luck makes some truly incredible plays but he absolutely makes some head scratchers that cost his team ballgames. Both guys are QBs that you'd love to have but there's a definite tier there. You can and most likely will win a championship with Brett Favre at some point in a full career but you're a clear favorite every year with Brady (or Manning when Manning was at his peak).

Luck's just a little too aggressive; a little too risky sometimes. And this has become a league designed to trick you; to fool you into that critical mistake. That's what's going to make the Pats such a brutal matchup, especially for the Chiefs. They're not going to give us 2-3 turnovers. I'd honestly be surprised if we grab a single turnover from them. Brady's just too damn smart.

Luck has a step to take before he gets there. He can be fooled. And he's not a young man anymore. Alex Smith came to KC for his age 29 season - Andrew Luck will be in his age 28 season next year. There's a good chance that we've seen the peak of Luck's evolution.

Aaron Rodgers can mask a shitload of deficiencies and make his team good. Brady can as well. Hell, Wilson's done that this year. Can Luck? Maybe...but maybe not.

Sure, it's a bit of a 'hot take' but there's a real question to be asked there.

[Mile High Mania]

Luck and the Colts are interesting... 11-5 during the first 3 years, and 8-8 the last 2 years.

Pagano needs to go - he's maxed out what he can do there and they need to flip the script before Luck is Rivers.

They are in a division they should own for a decade, lost out last year with Luck's injury and this year because of ineptitude and lack of heart.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

They are in a division they should own for a decade, lost out last year with Luck's injury and this year because of ineptitude and lack of heart.

They may have lost the driver's seat to the Titans.

The Titans looked like a growing young squad that was flat out better than the Colts for parts of last season and with a top 5 pick and another in the top 20, they could be poised to take another big step forward.

The Titans look like they're headed in a positive direction. The Colts, OTOH, employ Ryan Grigson. The only advantage the Colts have on anybody on that division anywhere in that organization is Andrew Luck.

And when you'r worse everywhere else, I think it's difficult to claim dominion over the division. I don't think they'll get that traction back.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

They may have lost the driver's seat to the Titans.

The Titans looked like a growing young squad that was flat out better than the Colts for parts of last season and with a top 5 pick and another in the top 20, they could be poised to take another big step forward.

The Titans look like they're headed in a positive direction. The Colts, OTOH, employ Ryan Grigson. The only advantage the Colts have on anybody on that division anywhere in that organization is Andrew Luck.

And when you'r worse everywhere else, I think it's difficult to claim dominion over the division. I don't think they'll get that traction back.

IIRC, the Tits have alot of cap space too. Could really build something nice there with an addition of a few WR's and some DBs.

I think they'd be a team that would be heavy in on EB if he hits FA as well.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by O.city

IIRC, the Tits have alot of cap space too. Could really build something nice there with an addition of a few WR's and some DBs.

I think they'd be a team that would be heavy in on EB if he hits FA as well.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

Titans have about $70M with 45 players for 2017, Colts have about $50M with 50 players.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

They may have lost the driver's seat to the Titans.

The Titans looked like a growing young squad that was flat out better than the Colts for parts of last season and with a top 5 pick and another in the top 20, they could be poised to take another big step forward.

The Titans look like they're headed in a positive direction. The Colts, OTOH, employ Ryan Grigson. The only advantage the Colts have on anybody on that division anywhere in that organization is Andrew Luck.

And when you'r worse everywhere else, I think it's difficult to claim dominion over the division. I don't think they'll get that traction back.

True - the Titans look good and should be at least 'on par' with what Indy can bring to the table, which is why Indy would be smart to cut bait with Pagano and plan accordingly. This is why I think it would make a lot of sense for McDaniels to end up in Indy.

[GloucesterChief]

Surprised David Shaw isn't getting a look to move up to the NFL. Stanford had a down year this year but he is still a solid coach.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Surprised David Shaw isn't getting a look to move up to the NFL. Stanford had a down year this year but he is still a solid coach.

Alot of these teams are at a spot where they need more known, experienced guys.

If it were me in SF, Shaw would be at the top of my list.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Alot of these teams are at a spot where they need more known, experienced guys.

If it were me in SF, Shaw would be at the top of my list.

SF ownership was the ones that picked Baalke over Harbaugh though and Shaw is a Harbaugh disciple. Might be some bad blood there.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Surprised David Shaw isn't getting a look to move up to the NFL. Stanford had a down year this year but he is still a solid coach.

I don't think Shaw is interested in making the move to the NFL.

Also, I wish a 10-3 season was a down year for my team,

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I don't think Shaw is interested in making the move to the NFL.

Also, I wish a 10-3 season was a down year for my team,

I think the Rams would be a good fit for Shaw. Stanford is not a blue blood and support for the football program ebbs and flows among the fans and administration.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

They may have lost the driver's seat to the Titans.

The Titans looked like a growing young squad that was flat out better than the Colts for parts of last season and with a top 5 pick and another in the top 20, they could be poised to take another big step forward.

The Titans look like they're headed in a positive direction. The Colts, OTOH, employ Ryan Grigson. The only advantage the Colts have on anybody on that division anywhere in that organization is Andrew Luck.

And when you'r worse everywhere else, I think it's difficult to claim dominion over the division. I don't think they'll get that traction back.

Sadly, as a Colts fan, I agree. The Titans are coming on fast.

I think the Jags actually may be better, simply because of all that talent they have. That defense is LOADED. It all depends on who they get as coach. If they got Coughlin, he'd have them in the playoffs in 2 years, max.

Houston has a lot of talent too, but they need a qb.

[O.city]

People act as if Luck didn't have any weapons or whatnot on offense either. Shit, they've spent an ass ton of resources for WR's, TE's and such. The ol sucked but alot of OL's suck.