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ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-15-2013, 02:12 PM

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MagicHef · 03-17-2013, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

I was looking at pure pressure generated.

Dumervil had more pressures than anyone not named Von.

Gonna be hard to replace.

And you listed a safety...LOL DUDE. LOL

Wait, if you were going by pressure generated, how is Wolfe the worst? He's actually tied for 3rd with Ayers.

MagicHef · 03-17-2013, 11:24 PM

Wait, no, I can't add. Wolfe is 3rd (26 pressures), Ayers is 4th (25). Wolfe also had 2 batted passes to Ayers' 0. Where did you get that Ayers was 3rd?

Hammock Parties · 03-17-2013, 11:27 PM

QB hurries

Dumervil 39
Ayers 14
Wolfe 13

This isn't rocket science.

MagicHef · 03-17-2013, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

QB hurries

Dumervil 39
Ayers 14
Wolfe 13

This isn't rocket science.

You said pressure just a few posts ago. Pressure = sacks + hits + hurries.

It isn't rocket science, but apparently it might as well be.

Hammock Parties · 03-17-2013, 11:43 PM

I said pressures. Plural.

The typical NFL definition of a pressure is the same thing PFF terms as QB hurry.

You will not find a guy who generates 39 hurries on your current defense.

MagicHef · 03-17-2013, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

I said pressures. Plural.

The typical NFL definition of a pressure is the same thing PFF terms as QB hurry.

You will not find a guy who generates 39 hurries on your current defense.

Link?

Hammock Parties · 03-17-2013, 11:50 PM

Use your brain.

In any case, no matter how you slice it, Derek Wolfe was one of the least effective pass rushers at his position. 59th out of 62 4-3 ends...and this is the guy who is currently your second-best pass rusher...comically inept.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/dat...d=-1&filter=25

MagicHef · 03-17-2013, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Use your brain.

In any case, no matter how you slice it, Derek Wolfe was one of the least effective pass rushers at his position. 59th out of 62 4-3 ends...and this is the guy who is currently your second-best pass rusher...comically inept.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/dat...d=-1&filter=25

Ok, let's use our brains. Let's say two guys in two different instances get close enough to the QB to influence his decision. One of the guys is close enough to make contact with the QB right after he throws, the other isn't. Your argument is that only the guy who did not make contact gets credit for creating pressure.

Makes sense.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-18-2013, 12:07 PM

I thought Ayers sucked ass?

Halfcan · 03-18-2013, 12:19 PM

C B Nation reports that Donks will take a 13 million cap hit- not the previous 5 mil hit-LOL

philfree · 03-18-2013, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

C B Nation reports that Donks will take a 13 million cap hit- not the previous 5 mil hit-LOL

So they're keeping him at that price? Link please.

MagicHef · 03-18-2013, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM

I thought Ayers sucked ass?

You were correct in thinking so.

PFF, however, disagrees.

Hammock Parties · 03-18-2013, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef

You were correct in thinking so.

PFF, however, disagrees.

PFF recognizes he was a very unproductive pass rusher.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-18-2013, 02:50 PM

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**chefsos** · 03-18-2013, 03:16 PM

This whole thing has made me rethink the owner/player dynamic regarding contract renegotiation. I've generally been pro management when players want to renegotiate after a good year. You know, "**** him, he signed a contract! He should honor it."

Salary cap emergency renegotiations by management have, in the past, seemingly been about moving the money owed to the player around, but he still got it (in theory anyway). Now it goes like, "Here, take a pay cut because we can't handle this contract anymore."

You know what? **** that. If you sign the player, and he remains pretty much the player you thought you were getting, you have a goddamn contract. If the cap gets in the way later, cut him or pay him. Your choice. Changing the terms of the contract without exposing the player to free agency is bullshit.

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chefsos Fifty eight sixty two... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Felton, DE Casino cash: $8467676	This whole thing has made me rethink the owner/player dynamic regarding contract renegotiation. I've generally been pro management when players want to renegotiate after a good year. You know, "** him, he signed a contract! He should honor it." Salary cap emergency renegotiations by management have, in the past, seemingly been about moving the money owed to the player around, but he still got it (in theory anyway). Now it goes like, "Here, take a pay cut because we can't handle this contract anymore." You know what? ** that. If you sign the player, and he remains pretty much the player you thought you were getting, you have a goddamn contract. If the cap gets in the way later, cut him or pay him. Your choice. Changing the terms of the contract without exposing the player to free agency is bullshit.
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