NBA Off-season 2016 thread

[Al Bundy]

The Cavs came back and smacked the very soft Warriors down. Lebron proved he was the best player by far in the league. The NBA draft on June 23rd.

1 Philadelphia 76ers
2 Los Angeles Lakers
3 Boston Celtics
4 Phoenix Suns
5 Minnesota Timberwolves
6 New Orleans Pelicans
7 Denver Nuggets
8 Sacramento Kings
9 Toronto Raptors
10 Milwaukee Bucks
11 Orlando Magic
12 Utah Jazz
13 Phoenix Suns
14 Chicago Bulls
15 Denver Nuggets
16 Boston Celtics
17 Memphis Grizzlies
18 Detroit Pistons
19 Denver Nuggets
20 Indiana Pacers
21 Atlanta Hawks
22 Charlotte Hornets
23 Boston Celtics
24 Philadelphia 76ers
25 Los Angeles Clippers
26 Philadelphia 76ers
27 Toronto Raptors
28 Phoenix Suns
29 San Antonio Spurs
30 Golden State Warriors

[mcaj22]

wonder if the Heat match that gross Nets offer sheet to Tyler Johnson for 50 million

I guess it would make sense to keep a young nucleus of Johnson-Winslow-Whiteside together


they literally have nobody else on the roster worth a crap. Assuming they never clear Bosh to get that space back.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

wonder if the Heat match that gross Nets offer sheet to Tyler Johnson for 50 million

I guess it would make sense to keep a young nucleus of Johnson-Winslow-Whiteside together


they literally have nobody else on the roster worth a crap. Assuming they never clear Bosh to get that space back.

Holy shit. Tyler Johnson got essentially the same deal that Jordan Clarkson did.

Man...am I missing something here? Tyler Johnson's an 8th man, is he not?

There's no way the Heat match that deal, not if the Wade decision was made with an eye on long-term financial flexibility. They'll let him walk and almost certainly be better off for it.

It's a good damn thing the Lakers locked Clarkson up quickly because there's no question he'd be a more appealing get that Tyler Johnson.

[FloridaMan88]

The chances of Wade, who turns 35 years old in January staying healthy this season is slim to none.

This past season he managed to stay relatively healthy, and played in 74 games, but the previous two years he missed 20 games and 28 games respectively.

Even if Wade had returned and if he had stayed healthy the Heat are not good enough to get past Cleveland, Boston or Toronto in the East.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The chances of Wade, who turns 35 years old in January staying healthy this season is slim to none.

This past season he managed to stay relatively healthy, and played in 74 games, but the previous two years he missed 20 games and 28 games respectively.

Even if Wade had returned and if he had stayed healthy the Heat are not good enough to get past Cleveland, Boston or Toronto in the East.

He is still alot more valuable and a trillion times better player than Delladova who got $40 million. The market is what it is and the Heat should have paid him out of loyalty. This will hurt the team for a long time especially if Riley sticks around.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

He is still alot more valuable and a trillion times better player than Delladova who got $40 million. The market is what it is and the Heat should have paid him out of loyalty. This will hurt the team for a long time especially if Riley sticks around.

Loyalty does not exist in pro sports, even if it should. This is the right move for the Heat, because they are a second round team with Wade. They are better off angling for a franchise player in the draft.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

He is still alot more valuable and a trillion times better player than Delladova who got $40 million. The market is what it is and the Heat should have paid him out of loyalty. This will hurt the team for a long time especially if Riley sticks around.

Paying "out of loyalty" rather than making smart business decisions is no way to run a franchise.

If the Heat were loyal to Wade and gave him $25 million/year for the next two years and he ended up missing 30 games a year (a high probability given his age and injury history), the Heat would be stuck in the middle as an average/mediocre team with minimal financial flexibility.

Now they can take their lumps this season, and have significant financial flexibility next summer to sign a top-tier free agent.

Pat Riley/Micky Arison + financial flexibility generally have a good track record of getting results.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Paying "out of loyalty" rather than making smart business decisions is no way to run a franchise.

If the Heat were loyal to Wade and gave him $25 million/year for the next two years and he ended up missing 30 games a year (a high probability given his age and injury history), the Heat would be stuck in the middle as an average/mediocre team with minimal financial flexibility.

Now they can take their lumps this season, and have significant financial flexibility next summer to sign a top-tier free agent.

Pat Riley/Micky Arison + financial flexibility generally have a good track record of getting results.

Have we learned nothing from the last 3-4 years?

Teams don't get to eat shit and still get FAs to come to town. Now maybe Riley is actually a wizard and the draw of Miami is stronger than the draw of LA or NY (or X player's hometown team). But then again, maybe Riley just ends up clearing the decks and eating shit like several teams before him have done over the last several years.

In the era of superteams that can all offer roughly approximate $$$, nobody wants to cash a check to suck. Riley's gambling big time here and recent history suggests it's a bit of a fools errand.

[BWillie]

just checking in to go LOL @ BULLS

wtf

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Loyalty does not exist in pro sports, even if it should. This is the right move for the Heat, because they are a second round team with Wade. They are better off angling for a franchise player in the draft.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Paying "out of loyalty" rather than making smart business decisions is no way to run a franchise.

If the Heat were loyal to Wade and gave him $25 million/year for the next two years and he ended up missing 30 games a year (a high probability given his age and injury history), the Heat would be stuck in the middle as an average/mediocre team with minimal financial flexibility.

Now they can take their lumps this season, and have significant financial flexibility next summer to sign a top-tier free agent.

Pat Riley/Micky Arison + financial flexibility generally have a good track record of getting results.

DJ's post sums up nicely IMO about the loyalty issue. I would be very surprised if they landed another top-tier FA after all this. Of course on the flip side being loyal to Kobe hasn't really help attact top-tier FA's to the Lakers.

Throwing that aside does anyone not think a 35-yr old Dwade is $7-10 million dollars better than ****ing Delladova? cmon man..

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The chances of Wade, who turns 35 years old in January staying healthy this season is slim to none.

This past season he managed to stay relatively healthy, and played in 74 games, but the previous two years he missed 20 games and 28 games respectively.

Even if Wade had returned and if he had stayed healthy the Heat are not good enough to get past Cleveland, Boston or Toronto in the East.

He won't have to do what he did in Miami and try and carry the team in his late 30s.

Have you seen the Bulls roster?

They have a bunch of guys that can slide between the 2 and 3 position

Jimmy Butler, Tony Snell, Doug McDermott, even Mirotic can play the 3 when they go big. They also drafted Denzel Valentine

Wade can platoon himself with the young shooters on the Bulls because the roster has a ton of position flexibility from it's players besides their defensive center (Lopez).

He can keep himself on a maintenance program in Chicago and most likely stay healthy. The Bulls won't need to ride him into the ground because Bosh is hurt.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Holy shit. Tyler Johnson got essentially the same deal that Jordan Clarkson did.

Man...am I missing something here? Tyler Johnson's an 8th man, is he not?

There's no way the Heat match that deal, not if the Wade decision was made with an eye on long-term financial flexibility. They'll let him walk and almost certainly be better off for it.

It's a good damn thing the Lakers locked Clarkson up quickly because there's no question he'd be a more appealing get that Tyler Johnson.

Nets had/have(?) a lot of money to spend lol

[saphojunkie]

Wade also lost weight last year and finally ate right. All accounts were that he has been kind of lazy about his weight and it has been reflected in his injuries.

Could be that the Bulls were just trying to not completely lose momentum while ditching Noah and Rose.

Meanwhile, the Cavs get Dunleavy, which is a solid pickup for them.

[mcaj22]

I actually like the Bulls current roster mix of young and old players same with the Jazz. They are very interesting roster constructions with a ton of different lineup possibilities. They didn't go too old or too young, and both can still be competitive. Granted probably not championship competitive but still will be a tough out and that's really all you can ask for next season if you are not one of the 3 teams that has a shot.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The problem was Riley's shortsightedness last year. He could've had Wade at 3/$45 last season and it would've been a very very nice deal for the team.

Riley was keeping cap space open in case LeBron had another fall out in Cleveland and Durant was on the market as well. Can't fault them for that.

Heat just need to hit the reset button now. Tank this year, nice draft class ahead of them. Add another blue chipper prospect to go with Whiteside and Winslow, then hit the free agent market next year. Some big name will go to Miami, it's too good of an organization and ownership group not too.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Riley was keeping cap space open in case LeBron had another fall out in Cleveland and Durant was on the market as well. Can't fault them for that.

Heat just need to hit the reset button now. Tank this year, nice draft class ahead of them. Add another blue chipper prospect to go with Whiteside and Winslow, then hit the free agent market next year. Some big name will go to Miami, it's too good of an organization and ownership group not too.

The difference between Miami and the Lakers is that Pat Riley is well respected throughout the league and Jim Buss is not and in many cases, not even in his own building.

I think the Lakers will win 20-30 this year and I don't mind the signings, as their young core isn't ready to compete for a title anyway, but until Buss is gone, the Lakers won't be a top attraction.