NBA Off-season 2016 thread

[Al Bundy]

The Cavs came back and smacked the very soft Warriors down. Lebron proved he was the best player by far in the league. The NBA draft on June 23rd.

1 Philadelphia 76ers
2 Los Angeles Lakers
3 Boston Celtics
4 Phoenix Suns
5 Minnesota Timberwolves
6 New Orleans Pelicans
7 Denver Nuggets
8 Sacramento Kings
9 Toronto Raptors
10 Milwaukee Bucks
11 Orlando Magic
12 Utah Jazz
13 Phoenix Suns
14 Chicago Bulls
15 Denver Nuggets
16 Boston Celtics
17 Memphis Grizzlies
18 Detroit Pistons
19 Denver Nuggets
20 Indiana Pacers
21 Atlanta Hawks
22 Charlotte Hornets
23 Boston Celtics
24 Philadelphia 76ers
25 Los Angeles Clippers
26 Philadelphia 76ers
27 Toronto Raptors
28 Phoenix Suns
29 San Antonio Spurs
30 Golden State Warriors

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I believe he deserved as much too and that it really hurts Rileys rep. But it would definitely be a courtesy contract.

I suppose. It is not like he is playing like Kobe did at the end. He is still a very good player and had a good year last year. Can't fault the guy when the worst player in all of pro basketball Delladova gets $40 million. That is what the Heat was offering him. Shit..

[RustShack]

Hoiball will be interesting to watch this year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Did you watch the Heat in the playoffs last year? Wade was ALL they had.

Like I said, I would have paid him. I wanted him for the Cavs too. But I don't think the heat are in such a win now mode that they want to pay $25m to a 35 year old vet. If they did, it would be out of courtesy, and Wade did way more than enough to earn that courtesy. Shame Riley chose business over emotion.

[Mr. Laz]

WTF are the Bulls doing?

[RobBlake]

wade got lowballed by the heat multiple times

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Hoiball will be interesting to watch this year.

Okay bet back on.

[staylor26]

To the people wondering what the Bulls are doing:

I think they're hoping Wade can help recruit two max players like Westbrook/CP3 and Griffin in 2017.

[Miles]

Originally Posted by staylor26

To the people wondering what the Bulls are doing:

I think they're hoping Wade can help recruit two max players like Westbrook/CP3 and Griffin in 2017.

He is still a big name and productive last year so the cost really isn't bad in current cap environment at all for only two years. Somewhat surprised Miami let him go unless Wade chose to leave for similar money. He did get a player option for year two shifting old guy risk to team.

Spacing will be an issue paired with Rondo but seems like they moved things around relatively well given where they started.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

To the people wondering what the Bulls are doing:

I think they're hoping Wade can help recruit two max players like Westbrook/CP3 and Griffin in 2017.

I'm not sure a 35 year old guy with a ton of mileage on the legs is going to have as much influence on recruiting a young superstar as you think. The move seems odd to me. The Bulls aren't in a position to win now, yet blew their wad on a guy who gives you a 2-3 year window at best

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by staylor26

To the people wondering what the Bulls are doing:

I think they're hoping Wade can help recruit two max players like Westbrook/CP3 and Griffin in 2017.

This is exactly what they're doing and I love it. Wade has serious pull in this league with guys. CP3 is close with him. This is a bridge season to a big offseason spending spree next year. Should help the aura of the Bulls now going forward with stars in this league.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

With Wade and Rajon Rondo in their back court, the Bulls might have one of the worst-shooting back courts in the NBA pic.twitter.com/qZtpXctrXe

— ESPN Stats & Info (@ESPNStatsInfo) July 7, 2016

What a mess that team is.

They weren't going to fully blow it up like I wanted so they're trying to go big next offseason with this move. Funny thing is Rose never recruited. Now they get Rondo and he and Butler recruited Wade really hard. That helped land Chicago the big ticket FA they've NEVER been able to land. So I'm cool with it. Always have been a Wade guy. Was mad about 2010 but all is forgiven over time and now he's coming home. Hopefully next year they have space for 2 max contracts along with having Butler, Wade, Valentine, Mirotic, Portis, Taj, McDermott, Lopez. They need to fill out the roster this year with shooters. It's not a great team but it's better than sucking with Rondo and Butler. At least I get to watch one of my favorite players. Yah he's old but he was productive last year in the regular season and the postseason. Plus it's going to help the rep of the Bulls with FAs that's badly needed. I think one other thing that affected this were season ticket holders. Must have been losing some and turning into a worse situation than many realize. They came out and said, "we want to get younger and more athletic." So it just doesn't make sense. But whatever I'll cheer them on.

[mcaj22]

McBuckets is going to shoot a ton of open 3s for the Bulls this year

[DJ's left nut]

I actually like the Calderon pickup for the Lakers.

They needed a backup PG and the market probably demands a multi-year deal in FA. The Lakers get an expiring deal that's about market in terms of AAV for a guy with the range that Calderon has. They get themselves up past the spending floor without jeopardizing any cap space for next season and in the process they got a couple of second round picks for their trouble.

Nice little deal. The NBA has essentially become Golden State, Cleveland and the NBDL at this point so it's not like there are any homerun signings to be made at the moment. This could pay some long-term dividends for them if either of those picks turn into even rotational players for them (and huge dividends if you end up with another Clarkson or Beverley).

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Like I said, I would have paid him. I wanted him for the Cavs too. But I don't think the heat are in such a win now mode that they want to pay $25m to a 35 year old vet. If they did, it would be out of courtesy, and Wade did way more than enough to earn that courtesy. Shame Riley chose business over emotion.

Going with emotion over smart business decisions is what gets teams in trouble.

Wade is the greatest player in franchise history, but a 35 year old with bad knees on the downside of his career is not worth $25 million a year.

The Heat will struggle this season, but they are set up nicely for next summer with financial flexibility to sign a top-tier free agent. Also they could end up in the lottery and get a high draft pick in a draft that is shaping up to be strong/deep.

It will be interesting to see how Wade feels about his decision six months from now when Chicago will likely be mediocre and Rondo will be creating his usual drama.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Tough call. I remember when the Yankees did the same dance with Jeter. Even though it was a nice story and feeling to watch Jeter retire a Yankee, they obscenely overpaid for that warm and fuzzy. I don't know that 25m is obscene overpayment. But it's an interesting debate about whether Miami should have let emotion get in the way of a business decision.

The problem was Riley's shortsightedness last year. He could've had Wade at 3/$45 last season and it would've been a very very nice deal for the team.

Instead he kept trying to go back to the 'lowball Wade because he's bluffing' well.

And I think Wade still has 2 years in the tank. It's not like he was demanding 4 years or anything.

The only way this is anything but a disaster for Riley is if he convinces Westbrook to come to Miami next year. Maybe Griffin, but Blake isn't a cornerstone player, IMO. I guess he's banking on Bosh being forced to retire so he can go to the market looking to bring in 2 max players as a package deal.

It's pretty ham-fisted, IMO.