Football Your assessment of Brandon Staley - Page 3

Deberg_1990 · 12-17-2021, 07:27 AM

Says he’s sticking with his 4th down approach……..good for him.

Chargers coach Brandon Staley isn't changing his ways: He says he will continue to go for it on fourth down, even after three out of Los Angeles' five attempts Thursday night failed in a 34-28 overtime defeat to the Kansas City Chiefs.

"I felt really comfortable with all those decisions," Staley said after the loss, which dropped the Chargers two games behind the Chiefs in the AFC West standings with three to play. "That's the way we're going to play around here. That's the way we're going to play. When we have a quarterback like ours, and we have an offense like ours, that's the way we're going to play because that's how you need to play against Kansas City, for sure. That's how we're going to become the team that we're ultimately capable of being, by playing that way."

The Chargers entered the game 13 for 21 on fourth downs this season, giving them the fourth-most conversions in the league. Their conversion percentage (61.9) was tied for eighth best in the NFL.

Two of Los Angeles' failed attempts to convert came inside the Kansas City 5, and another was on the edge of field goal range. The Chargers became the first team to fail twice on fourth-and-goal in a first half since the 1984 Chargers did the same -- also against the Chiefs -- 37 years ago to the day (Dec. 16, 1984).

Quarterback Justin Herbert said he stands by his coach and his decisions on fourth down.

"It's always tough and you'd love to be able to convert those," Herbert said. "I think we need to be better on third downs so that we're not in those situations, but we believe in each other. We believe in the guys in that locker room and that huddle, and we believe in the defense. I think that's a statement of trusting everyone on the field and off the field, as well. We love to be put in those situations. Unfortunately, we didn't convert as many as we would've liked to have today, but we're going to ride with each other and we're going to be right back."

With Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill on the other sideline, Staley and his coaching staff realized no lead would be safe until the clock ran out. That's why they never stopped trying to score in all situations: Only the very last of the Chargers' 10 drives ended in a punt.

"It's life in the NFL, in decision-making like that. ... I know that the quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns, not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side," Staley said. "When you don't feel like it's a gamble, when you feel like this is an advantage for you, then that's going to be our mindset. And I don't think that any decision that we made tonight, that I made tonight, was a gamble. We felt like it was an advantage situation for us, and that's why we did it.''

Herbert and his teammates came agonizingly close to proving Staley correct.

Donald Parham seriously injured himself while coming down just out of bounds with a catch in the back of the end zone on the Chargers' failed fourth down from the Kansas City 5 on the game's opening drive.

Four drives later on the final snap of the first half, Herbert was in the shotgun on fourth down from the Kansas City 1 -- but Daniel Sorensen got his hand on a quick out to Keenan Allen, wiping out a potential TD pass and leaving the Chargers' halftime lead at only 14-10 despite 208 yards of offense on five solid drives.

The Chargers' only drive of the third quarter ended at the Kansas City 28 when Herbert and Jared Cook couldn't connect on a fourth-and-2 pass. Cook also dropped a probable touchdown pass on second down during that final drive before halftime.

After Thursday's game, the Chargers have now gone for it on fourth down 29.9% of the time this season. That's the highest rate for any team since the 2007 Jacksonville Jaguars (30.0%).

"We felt like it was an advantage situation for us," Staley explained. "That's why we did it. If we didn't feel like that was the case, then we would have kicked a field goal or we would have punted. That's the way that we're going to do things around here. I know that our team embraces that mindset. We're going to continue to do it every game we play moving forward."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...way-going-play

"The quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side."

Chargers coach Brandon Staley on being aggressive on 4th down against the Chiefs. pic.twitter.com/4mskizFo2J
— CBS Sports HQ (@CBSSportsHQ) December 17, 2021

rabblerouser · 12-17-2021, 08:30 AM

I wanted him to replace Sutton as DC.

MarkDavis'Haircut · 12-17-2021, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrae

That is simply amazing.

Wow! NFL screenwriters repeating themselves.

**Bearcat** · 12-17-2021, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

pay off over the long term?

He threw away the division championship and a good shot at the #1 seed.

They'd have to play a whole 'nother game to reach the SB.

When your opponent is shooting themselves in the foot, you take the points.

You stack those 3's.

Yeah, you have to apply the analytics to what's actually happening in front of you. I get it early in the game and then the fumble was unfortunate (perhaps another reason to take the points), but then before half you know the Chiefs' offense isn't doing great and you simply have to take those 3 (as just one example).

**DaFace** · 12-17-2021, 08:39 AM

I didn't mind it. There's no question they've won games in part due to the aggressive approach.

**ChiTown** · 12-17-2021, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, you have to apply the analytics to what's actually happening in front of you. I get it early in the game and then the fumble was unfortunate (perhaps another reason to take the points), but then before half you know the Chiefs' offense isn't doing great and you simply have to take those 3 (as just one example).

Plus, this isn’t some dogshit D the Chargers were playing against last night. Yes, we were without 3 of our very best players, but FFS, points are hard to get in the NFL. The first series of the game, I get totally going for it on 4th. The series before half? Yeah, You are just being a stupid little bitch and deserve to lose the game to the far superior Team.

O.city · 12-17-2021, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

I didn't mind it. There's no question they've won games in part due to the aggressive approach.

They're 8-5 leading up to this game becasue they've played like that all year. It wasn't a one off.

wachashi · 12-17-2021, 08:55 AM

It seems like people disagree most with the decision to go for it on 4th and Goal from the Chiefs' one-yard line before halftime. I wouldn't have an issue at all with Reid going for it in that same situation. I may not like the play call or I may have gripes about execution, but the decision to go would be fine with me.

**loochy** · 12-17-2021, 08:56 AM

Assessment: god damn reerun he is

Also, does anyone else find it really disrespectful when teams repeatedly go for it on 4th down?

Balto · 12-17-2021, 08:57 AM

I mean it is what it is but I was the most nervous on those 4th downs....Makes the game super exciting thats for sure.

I'm probably wrong here but from my understanding Analytics take a lot of data from past examples and outcomes. If true and how we all can agree that 4th down tries and such are becoming more and more common won't this shift the analytics and should start to show the REAL odds of kicking vs going for it? the sample size of kicking vs going for it can't be "HUGE" and with more and more tries this should start to show the "real" numbers.

Analytics has a part but didn't work last night /shrug

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2021, 08:57 AM

Overrated. Wound too tight. Team reflected that in critical situations.

ChiefBlueCFC · 12-17-2021, 08:58 AM

We are the boogie man

ChiefBlueCFC · 12-17-2021, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

We are the boogie man

we are the one who knocks

**DaFace** · 12-17-2021, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachashi

It seems like people disagree most with the decision to go for it on 4th and Goal from the Chiefs' one-yard line before halftime. I wouldn't have an issue at all with Reid going for it in that same situation. I may not like the play call or I may have gripes about execution, but the decision to go would be fine with me.

And on the other side, most of us would have felt a little relief if they'd just kicked it in most of those situations. That's a pretty good indicator that we know deep down that going for it is the best option.

wachashi · 12-17-2021, 09:01 AM

Just because it doesn't work doesn't mean it was the wrong decision. Just like a coach may make the right decision to kick a field goal but it gets blocked.

**DaFace** · 12-17-2021, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

We are the boogie man

They've gone for it on 4th down 26 times this year. It's just what they do. We just gave them enough short ones that the numbers said to go a lot.

12-17-2021, 07:27 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3624454	Your assessment of Brandon Staley Says he’s sticking with his 4th down approach……..good for him. Chargers coach Brandon Staley isn't changing his ways: He says he will continue to go for it on fourth down, even after three out of Los Angeles' five attempts Thursday night failed in a 34-28 overtime defeat to the Kansas City Chiefs. "I felt really comfortable with all those decisions," Staley said after the loss, which dropped the Chargers two games behind the Chiefs in the AFC West standings with three to play. "That's the way we're going to play around here. That's the way we're going to play. When we have a quarterback like ours, and we have an offense like ours, that's the way we're going to play because that's how you need to play against Kansas City, for sure. That's how we're going to become the team that we're ultimately capable of being, by playing that way." The Chargers entered the game 13 for 21 on fourth downs this season, giving them the fourth-most conversions in the league. Their conversion percentage (61.9) was tied for eighth best in the NFL. Two of Los Angeles' failed attempts to convert came inside the Kansas City 5, and another was on the edge of field goal range. The Chargers became the first team to fail twice on fourth-and-goal in a first half since the 1984 Chargers did the same -- also against the Chiefs -- 37 years ago to the day (Dec. 16, 1984). Quarterback Justin Herbert said he stands by his coach and his decisions on fourth down. "It's always tough and you'd love to be able to convert those," Herbert said. "I think we need to be better on third downs so that we're not in those situations, but we believe in each other. We believe in the guys in that locker room and that huddle, and we believe in the defense. I think that's a statement of trusting everyone on the field and off the field, as well. We love to be put in those situations. Unfortunately, we didn't convert as many as we would've liked to have today, but we're going to ride with each other and we're going to be right back." With Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill on the other sideline, Staley and his coaching staff realized no lead would be safe until the clock ran out. That's why they never stopped trying to score in all situations: Only the very last of the Chargers' 10 drives ended in a punt. "It's life in the NFL, in decision-making like that. ... I know that the quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns, not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side," Staley said. "When you don't feel like it's a gamble, when you feel like this is an advantage for you, then that's going to be our mindset. And I don't think that any decision that we made tonight, that I made tonight, was a gamble. We felt like it was an advantage situation for us, and that's why we did it.'' Herbert and his teammates came agonizingly close to proving Staley correct. Donald Parham seriously injured himself while coming down just out of bounds with a catch in the back of the end zone on the Chargers' failed fourth down from the Kansas City 5 on the game's opening drive. Four drives later on the final snap of the first half, Herbert was in the shotgun on fourth down from the Kansas City 1 -- but Daniel Sorensen got his hand on a quick out to Keenan Allen, wiping out a potential TD pass and leaving the Chargers' halftime lead at only 14-10 despite 208 yards of offense on five solid drives. The Chargers' only drive of the third quarter ended at the Kansas City 28 when Herbert and Jared Cook couldn't connect on a fourth-and-2 pass. Cook also dropped a probable touchdown pass on second down during that final drive before halftime. After Thursday's game, the Chargers have now gone for it on fourth down 29.9% of the time this season. That's the highest rate for any team since the 2007 Jacksonville Jaguars (30.0%). "We felt like it was an advantage situation for us," Staley explained. "That's why we did it. If we didn't feel like that was the case, then we would have kicked a field goal or we would have punted. That's the way that we're going to do things around here. I know that our team embraces that mindset. We're going to continue to do it every game we play moving forward." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...way-going-play "The quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side." Chargers coach Brandon Staley on being aggressive on 4th down against the Chiefs. pic.twitter.com/4mskizFo2J — CBS Sports HQ (@CBSSportsHQ) December 17, 2021
Posts: 66,914

12-17-2021, 08:30 AM	#31
rabblerouser left blank intentionally Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Belize Nuts Casino cash: $4664897	I wanted him to replace Sutton as DC. __________________ MY ADOPT-A-CHIEF : Jody Fortson Jr.
Posts: 32,166

12-17-2021, 08:39 AM	#34
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1636899	I didn't mind it. There's no question they've won games in part due to the aggressive approach.
Posts: 51,991	0 1

12-17-2021, 08:55 AM	#37
wachashi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2019 Casino cash: $7060400	It seems like people disagree most with the decision to go for it on 4th and Goal from the Chiefs' one-yard line before halftime. I wouldn't have an issue at all with Reid going for it in that same situation. I may not like the play call or I may have gripes about execution, but the decision to go would be fine with me.
Posts: 1,385

12-17-2021, 08:56 AM	#38
loochy Hey Loochy, I'm hooome! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire Casino cash: $1750752	Assessment: god damn reerun he is Also, does anyone else find it really disrespectful when teams repeatedly go for it on 4th down? __________________ Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome!
Posts: 40,656	1 0

12-17-2021, 08:57 AM	#39
Balto Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Scottsdale Area Casino cash: $2712198	I mean it is what it is but I was the most nervous on those 4th downs....Makes the game super exciting thats for sure. I'm probably wrong here but from my understanding Analytics take a lot of data from past examples and outcomes. If true and how we all can agree that 4th down tries and such are becoming more and more common won't this shift the analytics and should start to show the REAL odds of kicking vs going for it? the sample size of kicking vs going for it can't be "HUGE" and with more and more tries this should start to show the "real" numbers. Analytics has a part but didn't work last night /shrug
Posts: 1,726	2 0

12-17-2021, 08:57 AM	#40
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4320478	Overrated. Wound too tight. Team reflected that in critical situations. __________________ Chiefs game films
Posts: 278,991	3 0

12-17-2021, 08:58 AM	#41
ChiefBlueCFC Veteran Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: KCMO BABY Casino cash: $8070410	We are the boogie man __________________ WE FIRED BOB SUTTON
Posts: 2,728

12-17-2021, 09:01 AM	#44
wachashi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2019 Casino cash: $7060400	Just because it doesn't work doesn't mean it was the wrong decision. Just like a coach may make the right decision to kick a field goal but it gets blocked.
Posts: 1,385