Football NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes - Page 3

Mile High Mania · 11-21-2018, 08:27 AM

So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?

Amnorix · 11-21-2018, 09:35 AM

Sick as Mahomes season has been, I think it's Brees. 25/1 TD/INT ratio is better than 37/10. Would you trade 12 more TDs for 9 more picks? Yeah, didn't think so.

Plus he'll get the nostalgia vote, if Brees seriously has never won MVP. How that's possible I have no idea, but yeah, that will seal it. Everyone will say Mahomes is young and will have plenty more chances. It's not fair, but it's reality. All else being equal, it will be the tie breaker though I don't see it as equal right now. Still plenty of football left this season though.

Amnorix · 11-21-2018, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22

That wasn’t a gift. 1998 Broncos were stacked

There was cheating involved but they created (illegally) the bet team in football

I hate them, but I watched more than enough of them to know that those Broncos teams were sick. They were completely dominant for three years. I remember being damn glad the Jags somehow beat them in 1996 so the Patriots could play the Jags not the Broncos in the AFCCG. Terrell Davis turned a damn good team into a completely disgusting one.

**Easy 6** · 11-21-2018, 09:47 AM

My choice is clear, but barring a complete meltdown Brees will run away with it for sentimental reasons

O.city · 11-21-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Sick as Mahomes season has been, I think it's Brees. 25/1 TD/INT ratio is better than 37/10. Would you trade 12 more TDs for 9 more picks? Yeah, didn't think so.

Plus he'll get the nostalgia vote, if Brees seriously has never won MVP. How that's possible I have no idea, but yeah, that will seal it. Everyone will say Mahomes is young and will have plenty more chances. It's not fair, but it's reality. All else being equal, it will be the tie breaker though I don't see it as equal right now. Still plenty of football left this season though.

I mean, I get that, but even if every INT led to a TD, that's still plus 21 in total points.

Best22 · 11-21-2018, 09:53 AM

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I mean, I get that, but even if every INT led to a TD, that's still plus 21 in total points.

Factor in rushing touchdowns and fumbles (lost) and it becomes 39/12, 28/1.

Dead even at 27

carcosa · 11-21-2018, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Sick as Mahomes season has been, I think it's Brees. 25/1 TD/INT ratio is better than 37/10. Would you trade 12 more TDs for 9 more picks? Yeah, didn't think so.

Plus he'll get the nostalgia vote, if Brees seriously has never won MVP. How that's possible I have no idea, but yeah, that will seal it. Everyone will say Mahomes is young and will have plenty more chances. It's not fair, but it's reality. All else being equal, it will be the tie breaker though I don't see it as equal right now. Still plenty of football left this season though.

**** off!!!!!!

Amnorix · 11-21-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I mean, I get that, but even if every INT led to a TD, that's still plus 21 in total points.

Nah, it's not really close in my mind. I don't ever see a 4:3 TD to INT ratio being a good thing.

But hey, why declare now -- if Brees has just one or two bad games, it could quickly go from 25/1 to whatever, 34/7 by year end, and while that's a great year, it wouldn't compare really with, say, 52/14 or whatever Mahomes could realistically get to.

Amnorix · 11-21-2018, 09:59 AM

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**** off!!!!!!

Why, n00b?

lcarus · 11-21-2018, 10:04 AM

Guy is on pace for 53 TDs and 5200 yards and might not get MVP. Thats crazy to me.

Mile High Mania · 11-21-2018, 10:05 AM

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Guy is on pace for 53 TDs and 5200 yards and might not get MVP. Thats crazy to me.

Yeah, it's going to get very interesting if PM is in that range...

Chiefnj2 · 11-21-2018, 10:07 AM

Legit candidates;

Chiefs - Mahomes and Hill.
Rams - Gurley and Donald
Bears - Mack
Saints - Brees

carcosa · 11-21-2018, 10:10 AM

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Why, n00b?

Because you are Patriots scum and should **** off for eternity!!!!! Thank u

jaa1025 · 11-21-2018, 10:13 AM

The gap was closing prior to the Rams game but Mahomes still had the lead IMO. After the Rams game, on national TV, Mahomes was having an MVP type of game until the final 2 drives. His arm was bumped and he threw an INT and then threw another INT on a poorly thrown ball (didn't get set...and probably a bad decision anyways).

He will probably need to play flawlessly from here and Brees needs to have a bad game or two for Mahomes to win it. The Saints still play the Steelers, Cowboys, and 2 games against Carolina that could be tough but none really have that good of defenses even in todays NFL.

In58men · 11-21-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Legit candidates;

Chiefs - Mahomes and Hill.
Rams - Gurley and Donald
Bears - Mack
Saints - Brees

Vikings- Danielle Hunter

He’s having a monster year and stays on the field unlike Mack. Gets overlooked because Mack and Donald are ESPNs favorites.

**The Franchise** · 11-21-2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Legit candidates;

Chiefs - Mahomes and Hill.
Rams - Gurley and Donald
Bears - Mack
Saints - Brees

Sorry but Gurley, HIll, Donald and Mack don't have a chance at MVP. It will always be a QB's award as long as the stats are like they are.

11-21-2018, 08:27 AM
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3267229	NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat). 67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs) 76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs) Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right. Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?
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11-21-2018, 09:35 AM	#31
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Sick as Mahomes season has been, I think it's Brees. 25/1 TD/INT ratio is better than 37/10. Would you trade 12 more TDs for 9 more picks? Yeah, didn't think so. Plus he'll get the nostalgia vote, if Brees seriously has never won MVP. How that's possible I have no idea, but yeah, that will seal it. Everyone will say Mahomes is young and will have plenty more chances. It's not fair, but it's reality. All else being equal, it will be the tie breaker though I don't see it as equal right now. Still plenty of football left this season though. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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11-21-2018, 09:47 AM	#33
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11-21-2018, 10:04 AM	#39
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $1339928	Guy is on pace for 53 TDs and 5200 yards and might not get MVP. Thats crazy to me.
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11-21-2018, 10:07 AM	#41
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7813688	Legit candidates; Chiefs - Mahomes and Hill. Rams - Gurley and Donald Bears - Mack Saints - Brees __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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11-21-2018, 10:13 AM	#43
jaa1025 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10000898	The gap was closing prior to the Rams game but Mahomes still had the lead IMO. After the Rams game, on national TV, Mahomes was having an MVP type of game until the final 2 drives. His arm was bumped and he threw an INT and then threw another INT on a poorly thrown ball (didn't get set...and probably a bad decision anyways). He will probably need to play flawlessly from here and Brees needs to have a bad game or two for Mahomes to win it. The Saints still play the Steelers, Cowboys, and 2 games against Carolina that could be tough but none really have that good of defenses even in todays NFL.
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