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**Lzen** · 10:34 AM

Busting 4 myths about the Kansas City Chiefs defense (it’s not all Bob Sutton)

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/...all-bob-sutton

Sometimes you hear something that you’re not sure is true, and you just shrug and move on with your life. At least, that’s what you do if you’re a healthy human being. If you’re not, you obsessively research until you’ve dug into the truth of the matter. Unfortunately for me (and perhaps fortunately for you), I fall into the latter camp.

There’s a lot of talk about the defense right now, and deservedly so. After all, the pass defense looked quite poor against the Raiders merely a week after the run defense looked like a sieve against the Steelers. That’s... less than ideal. The Chiefs hung 30 on the Raiders but it wasn’t enough to win, and the defense wasn’t able to stop the Raiders from traveling 80 yards in under two minutes (well, with all the stoppages it was more like 20, but whatever) and scoring the game winning touchdown on Thursday.

When stuff like that happens, people are going to talk. And that’s what has happened. A lot of talk about the defense against Oakland has been based around a few key points........

T-post Tom · 10-25-2017, 12:31 PM

"Ultimately, Sutton has a few things he needs to improve (like the safety usage, Houston’s usage and the placement of the corners in relation to the line of scrimmage)."

7 games in and he hasn't figured this out yet? Seems like a pretty serious shortcoming for a tenured NFL defensive coordinator.

ToxSocks · 10-25-2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Maybe Sutton shouldn't have decided to keep Gaines.

And who should the Chiefs have kept instead of Gaines?

JakeF · 10-25-2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

"Ultimately, Sutton has a few things he needs to improve (like the safety usage, Houston’s usage and the placement of the corners in relation to the line of scrimmage)."

7 games in and he hasn't figured this out yet?

7 games? He's been doing the same thing for years.

JakeF · 10-25-2017, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

And who should the Chiefs have kept instead of Gaines?

Lots of people thought that the Chiefs should upgrade the CB position this offseason. Apparently Sutton didn't think so or the GM would have gone out and picked up some options. Sutton has kept Gaines on his defense since 2014.

T-post Tom · 10-25-2017, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

7 games? He's been doing the same thing for years.

Yep. You are correct. But this season is the only one that's relevant right now, right? When you've jumped out to 5-0, you need to put your foot on the neck of the rest of the division (and the AFC).

The last two games were just miserable for the defense. And everyone knew what the other team was bringing offensively in those two games. Yes, the players need to shoulder most of the blame for these two losses. But a better performance from the defensive coaching staff could have provided another victory, if not two.

If writers for local small media outlets want to suck up to this coaching staff, fine. But I'm not going to do it.

**kysirsoze** · 10-25-2017, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Maybe Sutton shouldn't have decided to keep Gaines.

Is that Sutton's call?

**kysirsoze** · 10-25-2017, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Yep. You are correct. But this season is the only one that's relevant right now, right? When you've jumped out to 5-0, you need to put your foot on the neck of the rest of the division (and the AFC).

The last two games were just miserable for the defense. And everyone knew what the other team was bringing offensively in those two games. Yes, the players need to shoulder most of the blame for these two losses. But a better performance from the defensive coaching staff could have provided another victory, if not two.

If writers for local small media outlets want to suck up to this coaching staff, fine. But I'm not going to do it.

I'm sorry. Bottom line is if the secondary can't cover for at least 2 seconds, it doesn't matter what Sutton does. Scheme only goes so far.

DJ's left nut · 10-25-2017, 01:03 PM

Like I said a couple weeks ago - Sutton is dealing with some serious personnel limitations right now and he's having to scheme pretty much perfectly on every play. Right now Nagy can make a soft playcall on offense and his players will simply out-execute and make it work.

If Sutton makes the right playcall, his players are still pretty likely to screw it up. And if he makes the wrong one, they damn sure aren't going to do anything to win a matchup and save the play anyway.

Sutton's not having a perfect year but the problem is the players on the field. They simply aren't executing often enough and the breakdowns are too severe for any kind of credible offense to not take advantage of them.

DJ's left nut · 10-25-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

You'd think using three draft picks on the secondary in 2016 would have helped infuse some talent.

Peters is the only DB worth a damn that Dorsey drafted in his tenure in KC. He also almost completely ignored linebackers in the draft besides late round nobodies. Is it any surprise that our defense has finally fallen off a cliff?

There's only so much draft/FA capital to spread around and while the team has been focused on re-building the offense, there's little question that the defense has atrophied.

That said, a staff that was able to get several productive players in the 4th round and later on offense sure as hell seems to be worse at finding similar value on defense; there's little denying that.

The defensive personnel needs an upgrade in a big way. Whether thats internal or not remains to be seen, but it would be hard for Buddy Ryan, Dick LeBeau or [insert your defensive wizard of choice here] to have a ton of success with these guys playing the way they are.

ToxSocks · 10-25-2017, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Lots of people thought that the Chiefs should upgrade the CB position this offseason. Apparently Sutton didn't think so or the GM would have gone out and picked up some options. Sutton has kept Gaines on his defense since 2014.

No.

It's the GM's call or the HC. Sutton is a D-coordinator. All he can do is make suggestions.

DJ's left nut · 10-25-2017, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

No.

It's the GM's call or the HC. Sutton is a D-coordinator. All he can do is make suggestions.

I don't think that's right.

I'm pretty sure Al Harris and Emmitt Thomas are allowed to dictate to the general manager, Andy Reid and Bob Sutton who they put in their secondary. I mean, it's pretty common that subordinates get to choose what they get to work with, right?

ToxSocks · 10-25-2017, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Sutton's not having a perfect year but the problem is the players on the field. They simply aren't executing often enough and the breakdowns are too severe for any kind of credible offense to not take advantage of them.

When you have 3 guys covering 2 receivers in the same area of the field and they can't even tip the damn pass, no scheme is going to fix that.

When you call bracket coverage on a guy and he STILL gets open 20 yards downfield in 2.5 seconds, no scheme is going to fix that.

Players have to play.

Sutton has been viewed as a quality coach because his players have always made plays. Now they aren't.

keg in kc · 10-25-2017, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

I'm not saying this to lay it all at Alex's feet, but the same could be said of the offense.

Said the same thing on gameday. The defense actually did their job forcing a three-and-out late in the 4th. Offense has with ball with 4 minutes on the clock and a 6-point lead. We do it right there and Oakland doesn't even get another possession. Or if they do, it's with at least a 9-point cushion.

I think it's playcall more than Alex. Either way, missed opportunity to put it away.

staylor26 · 10-25-2017, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Just to make you all crazy: here's the "illegal contact" on Murray. Note the LOS. Flag is being thrown before gif ends. Unbelievable. pic.twitter.com/8eAGLUVd0X
— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) October 24, 2017

Easily one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. Not a coincidence that there was a turnover on the play.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-25-2017, 01:22 PM

The fact that Gaines has logged 74% of the defensive snap counts and Acker has logged 2.9%, while DJ White has been inactive all year, speaks volumes about the Chiefs cornerback situation.

It's really difficult for me to believe that De'Vante Bausby wouldn't be playing better than any of these guys.

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T-post Tom Threepeat! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $4287293	"Ultimately, Sutton has a few things he needs to improve (like the safety usage, Houston’s usage and the placement of the corners in relation to the line of scrimmage)." 7 games in and he hasn't figured this out yet? Seems like a pretty serious shortcoming for a tenured NFL defensive coordinator. __________________ You seem nice!
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2519099	Like I said a couple weeks ago - Sutton is dealing with some serious personnel limitations right now and he's having to scheme pretty much perfectly on every play. Right now Nagy can make a soft playcall on offense and his players will simply out-execute and make it work. If Sutton makes the right playcall, his players are still pretty likely to screw it up. And if he makes the wrong one, they damn sure aren't going to do anything to win a matchup and save the play anyway. Sutton's not having a perfect year but the problem is the players on the field. They simply aren't executing often enough and the breakdowns are too severe for any kind of credible offense to not take advantage of them. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	The fact that Gaines has logged 74% of the defensive snap counts and Acker has logged 2.9%, while DJ White has been inactive all year, speaks volumes about the Chiefs cornerback situation. It's really difficult for me to believe that De'Vante Bausby wouldn't be playing better than any of these guys.
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