Is Sutton transitioning to a 1-gap scheme?

[planetdoc]

I wonder if sutton is transitioning to a penetrating 1-gap defensive line.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Very few teams use purely one or two gap systems in today's NFL. However, the majority of teams, such as the Green Bay Packers and Pittsburgh Steelers primarily use the two-gap 3–4. The Houston Texans and Denver Broncos primarily use the one gap 3–4. The New York Jets use a versatile, hybrid defense combining one and two gap looks.link

Romeo Crennel runs a read and react 2-gap 3-4 defense. That is what Poe was drafted for. Since Sutton has been with the chiefs, the team has brought in penetrating defensive lineman like Rakeem Nunez-Roches

Originally Posted by nfl draft profile

Nunez-Roches is a one-dimensional penetrating tackle

Jaye Howard

Originally Posted by nfl draft profile

He is at his best when used on the move and could develop into a disruptive three-technique....He is very quick off the ball for his size

and Chris Jones

Originally Posted by nfl draft profile

Uses quick feet and shoulder turn to leverage him into gaps for disruption. Flashes some occasional "quick win" hand work as pass rusher. Posted 34 quarterback pressures and 11.5 run stuffs.

though to their credit, Howard and Jones can probably play 1 or 2 gap, and play every position on the line in a 3-4.

2-down space eaters like Alameda Ta’amu are less valuable.

Qbs are releasing the ball faster then ever. Against the chiefs in the playoffs, Tom Brady got rid of the ball on average between 1.9-2.18 seconds.

"If he's getting the ball off in 1.9 seconds, nobody is ever going to get to him," [Ware] admitted. "You can see that from the Kansas City game, in which they had Tamba Hali and they had (Justin) Houston and they still couldn't get there. You have to be able to have those corners to buy you just a little more time to get to him."

Qbs with the fastest releases in 2015:
1. Andy Dalton, 2.2 seconds
2. Tom Brady, 2.26 seconds
3. Peyton Manning, 2.27 seconds
4. Ryan Fitzpatrick, 2.31 seconds
5. Alex Smith, 2.32 seconds

Leaguewide, quarterbacks took 2.48 seconds to get rid of the ball in 2015. That number has gone down for four consecutive years. And there does appear to be the makings of a trend. Twenty quarterbacks were at 2.5 seconds or quicker last season; only seven hit that mark 2012.

What does this all mean? Players who can get to the QB quickly will have more value, and it is faster to get to the QB from a straight line than an arc. Thus lineman who can consistently generate pressure from penetrating the A gaps will become very valuable (even more than edge rushers, IMO).

Chris Jones and Jaye Howard have the speed to generate pressure from the interior, and the length to disrupt passing lanes. It is a passing league afterall.

What does this mean for Dontari Poe? He has flashed the ability to quickly penetrate. His ability to consistently do that will determine whether he gets a big future contract.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

I know literally nothing about football & even I had a bad feeling about this thread.

Indeed

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Please kill yourself.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Someone explain this...I thought we were running 2 gap...?

Admittedly I am not up on this shit so why is Sorter mad? Is it because we already use a hybrid system? Or is it because there's no way in hell we are switching to a pure 1 gapped.

I love how riled up Sorter is. I just wish I knew more to understand exactly the nuances of this beastly rage.

I'm going to take my pants off and take the answer off the air. Word.

I love Sorter's knowledge and rational thought. In this case though, I feel as if some of this is a subtle way of pretending to be humble about his infinite understanding of football x's and o's when in fact it is an attempt to do the opposite. Not really a criticism. We have all done that in aspects of life we fancy ourselves experts, whether we admit it or not.

Or this poster is a douche and deserves this drubbing. I don't ever remembering seeing this poster before so IDK. I've never seen Sorter go after someone that didn't deserve it before. I also don't remember seeing an endless discussion of DL gap thoughts.

[Dunerdr]

No we're going to a 4-3 when Hali and dj retire, berry packs his bags, and Houston hangs up the cleats because of the secret career ending knee injury.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Sorter

The reason this thread and planetdoc are both gigantic pieces of shit is because the answer is simple and has been discussed excessively on this forum.

The Chiefs do not play an odd front (DEs playing heads up in a 4-tech, NT HU in a 0) out of base personnel very often. On the contrary, the prefer to use under and over more often. Those fronts actually blend 2 and 1 gap principles and feature a 3 technique.

His stupid quip about the Chiefs being in nickel is dumb as **** too. It's dime more often than nickel and base for the Chiefs, and their front typically features a 3 technique as well.


So basically, he has no idea what the **** he was talking about and his thread is a huge waste of time. Luckily, it provided us another chance to laugh at this ignorant ****.

This, right here, is some excellent angry speak.

[JoeyChuckles]

Originally Posted by Sorter

The reason this thread and planetdoc are both gigantic pieces of shit is because the answer is simple and has been discussed excessively on this forum.

The Chiefs do not play an odd front (DEs playing heads up in a 4-tech, NT HU in a 0) out of base personnel very often. On the contrary, the prefer to use under and over more often. Those fronts actually blend 2 and 1 gap principles and feature a 3 technique.

His stupid quip about the Chiefs being in nickel is dumb as **** too. It's dime more often than nickel and base for the Chiefs, and their front typically features a 3 technique as well.


So basically, he has no idea what the **** he was talking about and his thread is a huge waste of time. Luckily, it provided us another chance to laugh at this ignorant ****.

Oh yeah, that makes total sense (looks around to see if everyone else is nodding too)

[Dunerdr]

Also nodding

[O.city]

I think Sorter is hisenberg.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think Sorter is hisenberg.

If Hisenberg means On The Rag, I agree.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by Sorter

The reason this thread and planetdoc are both gigantic pieces of shit is because the answer is simple and has been discussed excessively on this forum.

The Chiefs do not play an odd front (DEs playing heads up in a 4-tech, NT HU in a 0) out of base personnel very often. On the contrary, the prefer to use under and over more often. Those fronts actually blend 2 and 1 gap principles and feature a 3 technique.

His stupid quip about the Chiefs being in nickel is dumb as **** too. It's dime more often than nickel and base for the Chiefs, and their front typically features a 3 technique as well.


So basically, he has no idea what the **** he was talking about and his thread is a huge waste of time. Luckily, it provided us another chance to laugh at this ignorant ****.

Do you mind breaking down Suttons favorite call... BEARCAT 52 MIKE? Also can you break down both versions, when Hali is standing and with his hand in the dirt? Thanks!

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Do you mind breaking down Suttons favorite call... BEARCAT 52 MIKE? Also can you break down both versions, when Hali is standing and with his hand in the dirt? Thanks!

[booger]

If you have chance to look at the jets or Ravens play books it helps understand it better. Even in Suttons first year what I did was look back at the jetsand Ravens depth charts from the official team sites. I didn't/don't have any of those teams games on dvr or the nfl rewind or whatever it's called with th all 22 coaches angle. But the depth chart lists DE NT and DT instead of 2 DE and a NT. That is one key that tells you it's it's own unique 3-4. Like Sorter is saying it's the nose and the big end (4/5tech) and a 3tech. Often 2 3techs. So the nose can 2 gap or the big end will 2gap or both while the 3 is free to penetrate.

Crennels 3-4 atleast the one ran in kc Cleveland and the pats is the old school 3-4 okie which imo is similar to a 5-2 we ran in high school. A good D against so many option offenses many times with QB's who couldn't pass worth a shit. No I sure wasn't a star or anything but I understand why you watch that 3-4 it is read and react and while effective it's not glamorous to play DL in. Rather ****ing boring in fact. I played left end and some strong side olb. Lolb was much more fun. As a DL in that scheme you are asked to absorb the block of the OL and hold your ground, chuck the OL when the RB chooses a hole and make the play, persue, or if doubled and beat go down to create a pile of trash and not just get your ass drove off the ball. Not very fun to play. Not aggressive. I had more fun playing special teams and LT on offense cause you got to block one on one or be part of a double team. That's why for all the Richard Seymours there were tons others of blue collar no names that excelled because they were unselfish and not as athletic.

Another thing is that the DL are coached differently in this scheme Sutton runs even when they 2gap. Tyson Jackson was a better stack and shed player. That's either being head up on the OL engaging contact because if you're 2 gapping you don't shoot the gap and shedding the single block or splitting the double team block to make the play. DL have done that much much more under Sutton than crennel. Because of scheme yes but also DL coaching and Tommy Brashear and Britt Reid have done a great job. Howard, DeVito, Bailey, Poe have all made a ton of plays for loss. So I'm guessing aggressiveness and firing off the ball rather than absorbing the OL has much to do with this. And when allowed to one gap some of the time they develope better hands, feet and pass rush. The inside rushers on passing downs don't look hideous like they did under a pure 2 gap scheme. Because they play and practice both as well as develope much more well rounded at least to their full potential skill level allows.

Another key in realizing this isn't a pure one gap or ready to become one is personnel. Of course Poe is 340 because he's a nose. But Howard was 330+ before it was known Poe would miss time with his back. Because Howard knew playing big end it would only help him taking on double teams there as well as at nose whether backing up Poe or starting there. Bailey was maxed out at 308 and preferred being a little lighter but added weight because he's not just a 3 but a 4/5tech at times. Overall they prefer all the DL to be able to play all 3 spots and maybe that's not realistic with the nose it is something that's needed for a Bailey or this year a Chris Jones to be able to play both end spots and Sutton has stated as such. I hated losing David Irving as much or more as anyone but if I look at it not from a Chiefs fan perspective but what scheme he fits best at its probably a four man front that doesn't ask him to 2 gap. If he was gonna be 300-310 just to be able to hold up against the run that would be harder on him with that much added weight rather than being 280-290 down in Dallas I'm guessing as he was 275 ish here. Wish we could of kept him but good move by him and his agent in the long run for his career getting to Dallas.

You want pure 1 gap that's Denver and Phillips scheme or what rob Ryan has ran at stops as DC. He only used parts of his brothers playbook there with much of it labeled 'odd ram package' if you get a chance to see those play books online. Or a slant 3-4 like wade Phillips ran in Dallas under parcells with theo Ratliff as a nose. I'm not as sharp as Sorter and others it's just what I've been able to form my own opinion on the matter with help of viewing some of those threads where I saw the links to the play books and it was fun to watch those things on game day.

[booger]

It's also why you see KC interested in DL that have played in the 4-3 under teams. Typically it's the big end players like red Bryant who signed with the jags instead of kc and Howard but also Jimmy Staten who's in camp and on the PS last year after spending previous time with Seattle. Or during the offseason before the draft and teams at pro days and news of interest on certain DL because the teams running under are also interested in the same guys 3-4 teams are interested in.

[chiefzilla1501]

I can't remember where Dorsey said it. But Dorsey admitted in his 2nd season he made a mistake by not focusing enough on finding quicker linemen who can attack. Which is why he said he signed Vance Walker and didn't re-sign Tyson Jackson. So it's not really news.

[Bob Dole]

Bob Dole likes boobies and beer.

Just thought that might help this thread in some way.

[booger]

juggs with a set of pointy niptaculars to suckle and chew on are what makes me proud to be a man. And beer is a great help if her face is hideous and there isn't a pillow case handy