Chiefs Your dream 1st/2nd round combo for next week's NFL Draft - Page 3

pugsnotdrugs19 · 06:46 PM

Alright so, try to keep these as realistic as possible obviously, but let's talk about our preferred draft choices for the Chiefs come next Thursday and Friday evening at the draft. They have the 28th and 59th overall selections. Now, obviously guys like Carson Wentz and Jalen Ramsey are not going to be available at 28. Likewise, we won't see players like Corey Coleman or Eli Apple at 59.

For me, I feel like this team is just a piece or two away, so I want to see immediate impact players selected if at all possible. Thus, my dream 1st and 2nd round mock...

Round 1, Pick 28: Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson
He's brash and confident, and the tape does not lie. It won't come without some growing pains, but Alexander has the ability to step in day one and give us a great potential lockdown corner across from Marcus Peters. You can never have enough corners. The Chiefs are already in need of corner depth, but in this scenario we add it to the top of the heap. Week 1 against SD, Peters, Alexander, and Phillip Gaines form a really solid starting CB group while Steven Nelson provides great depth.

Round 2, Pick 59: Shilique Calhoun, OLB Michigan State
Here's a guy who is boom or bust. This one comes down most to me trusting Conley's development more than Ford. However, he is one of very few edge rushers in this draft that is equipped to contribute as a pass rusher immediately in the NFL. Again, a position in which you can never have enough of, this pick makes a ton of sense. Justin Houston could miss some time this season. Tamba Hali is at a point in his career where the downfall could come abruptly and unexpectedly. Dee Ford, while he has flashed, cannot be fully counted on just yet. This pick could give the Chiefs the deepest, most talented group of pass rushers in the NFL.

Your turn.

**BossChief** · 04-19-2016, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'd be hesitant to trade completely out of the 1st because of the 5th year option

I would, too...but depending on the situation the third could be well worth it.

Our cap situation going forward requires a lot of impact from the next 3 rookie classes.

Chiefshrink · 04-19-2016, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Depends on who is still on the board, how many guys are there that I see as difference makers for our schemes, how far I'd need to move down and what compensation I'd get.

If we move back 10 spots and there are still 7 guys we really like, I'd love to get a third back to move down.

My thoughts EXACTLY !!

I think it is very realistic that the board could fall our way for this to happen as well.

**the Talking Can** · 04-19-2016, 07:34 PM

counter intuitive draft (which you could imagine dorsey doing)

vernon butler
karl joseph

both would arguably be bpa at our picks...neither is an obvious, immediate need, but both could contribute meaningful rotation minutes this year, both have high quality starter upside, and both provide insurance for the contracts of berry, poe, and howard in the next two years

pure fantasy

paxton lynch
artie burns

RunKC · 04-19-2016, 07:35 PM

If the Chiefs somehow got William Jackson and Vernon Butler I'd be ecstatic

pugsnotdrugs19 · 04-19-2016, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

If you both are GMs is there any scenario where you would trade out of the 1st acquiring a couple of picks in which one of those picks is a 3rd pick or do you stay at 28 no matter because there will be talent there to justify a 1st rd pick ?

Depends on how many guys are left that they really like to come in and contribute quickly. I personally think Alexander is a great value at 28, so I'd be hesitant to go back if he's available.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to trade back, but getting that pick back is not near as important when you already have a talented roster.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Alright so, try to keep these as realistic as possible obviously, but let's talk about our preferred draft choices for the Chiefs come next Thursday and Friday evening at the draft. They have the 28th and 59th overall selections. Now, obviously guys like Carson Wentz and Jalen Ramsey are not going to be available at 28. Likewise, we won't see players like Corey Coleman or Eli Apple at 59.

For me, I feel like this team is just a piece or two away, so I want to see immediate impact players selected if at all possible. Thus, my dream 1st and 2nd round mock...

Round 1, Pick 28: Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson
He's brash and confident, and the tape does not lie. It won't come without some growing pains, but Alexander has the ability to step in day one and give us a great potential lockdown corner across from Marcus Peters. You can never have enough corners. The Chiefs are already in need of corner depth, but in this scenario we add it to the top of the heap. Week 1 against SD, Peters, Alexander, and Phillip Gaines form a really solid starting CB group while Steven Nelson provides great depth.

Round 2, Pick 59: Shilique Calhoun, OLB Michigan State
Here's a guy who is boom or bust. This one comes down most to me trusting Conley's development more than Ford. However, he is one of very few edge rushers in this draft that is equipped to contribute as a pass rusher immediately in the NFL. Again, a position in which you can never have enough of, this pick makes a ton of sense. Justin Houston could miss some time this season. Tamba Hali is at a point in his career where the downfall could come abruptly and unexpectedly. Dee Ford, while he has flashed, cannot be fully counted on just yet. This pick could give the Chiefs the deepest, most talented group of pass rushers in the NFL.

Your turn.

Your "Dream Draft" includes a guy with very questionable balls skills and a shitty attitude along with a guy drafted maybe two rounds too high?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

1. Trade out of the 1st and get our 3rd pick and then some back. This is what Dorsey is really wanting IMHO IF there are no players there at 28 he likes and just so happens there might be QB or CB sitting there that might draw some attention from other teams. Best scenario for us. What teams might want to trade back up into the first rd ya think ??

No ****ing way.

If anything, Dorsey has proven via the Alex Smith trade that he'll stay put and take the best guy.

Travis Kelce. Philip Gaines.

Don't trade back for "talent".

Trade up.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

counter intuitive draft (which you could imagine dorsey doing)

vernon butler
karl joseph

both would arguably be bpa at our picks...neither is an obvious, immediate need, but both could contribute meaningful rotation minutes this year, both have high quality starter upside, and both provide insurance for the contracts of berry, poe, and howard in the next two years

pure fantasy

paxton lynch
artie burns

Lynch might go Top Ten.

Burns might be there in the 2nd but I personally wouldn't take the chance.

**Easy 6** · 04-19-2016, 07:53 PM

Ok I'll break out of my rut choosing CB over pass rush and think outside the box a bit... the rush DOES aid coverage more than vice versa

#1 DE Kevin Dodd, OLB for the Chiefs

Thats right, the new Hali... stand him up

6'4 275, extremely quick with powerful hands and excellent balance, Dodd was just starting to tap his potential last season. Only played one season as a starter, but his quickness, motor and flexibility point to a pass rusher who can get to the QB off the edge or shoot gaps inside

Some risk, potential All Pro reward

CB Xavien Howard - 6'1 200 - great blend of size and athleticism. Has the flexibility and fluid hips to turn and run in press coverage.

Too grabby downfield though, a habit that will have to be broken

A player with clear starter upside

RunKC · 04-19-2016, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Ok I'll break out of my rut choosing CB over pass rush and think outside the box a bit... the rush DOES aid coverage more than vice versa

#1 DE Kevin Dodd, OLB for the Chiefs

Thats right, the new Hali... stand him up

6'4 275, extremely quick with powerful hands and excellent balance, Dodd was just starting to tap his potential last season. Only played one season as a starter, but his quickness, motor and flexibility point to a pass rusher who can get to the QB off the edge or shoot gaps inside

Some risk, potential All Pro reward

CB Xavien Howard - 6'1 200 - great blend of size and athleticism. Has the flexibility and fluid hips to turn and run in press coverage.

Too grabby downfield though, a habit that will have to be broken

A player with clear starter upside

This would be interesting. Noticing that Dodd is getting mocked to us more and more.
If we draft an OLB prospect in the first 2 rounds, I'd go with Kyler Fackrell in rd 2. Guy is ready to play ASAP.

**BossChief** · 04-19-2016, 08:03 PM

IRL I can see Dorsey moving up for Lynch then "reaching" for That CB they had a visit with (Reed)...if we don't get Lynch, I can see WJ3 being our first round pick.

He has crazy deep speed, GREAT ball skills and an enormous upside.

I'm pretty sure that Reed guy is what Dorsey covets at the position and would have been our third rounder if we didn't lose the pick.

DJ's left nut · 04-19-2016, 08:04 PM

William Jackson III

Tyler Boyd

O.city · 04-19-2016, 08:06 PM

Pauline who seems to be pretty well connected, says alexander has the best ball skills of any corner in this draft.

But his attitude personality issues are really becoming a big issue. I'd pass.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 04-19-2016, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Your "Dream Draft" includes a guy with very questionable balls skills and a shitty attitude along with a guy drafted maybe two rounds too high?

Shitty attitude... Hmm I remember the last time we drafted a corner with that as a question mark... how's that going so far?

And FFS, being confident is a necessity at that position, not a 'shitty attitude'.

I've seen Calhoun mocked as high as the late first.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Shitty attitude... Hmm I remember the last time we drafted a corner with that as a question mark... Wonder how that went.

I've seen Calhoun mocked as high as the late first.

04-19-2016, 06:40 PM
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9089447	Your dream 1st/2nd round combo for next week's NFL Draft Alright so, try to keep these as realistic as possible obviously, but let's talk about our preferred draft choices for the Chiefs come next Thursday and Friday evening at the draft. They have the 28th and 59th overall selections. Now, obviously guys like Carson Wentz and Jalen Ramsey are not going to be available at 28. Likewise, we won't see players like Corey Coleman or Eli Apple at 59. For me, I feel like this team is just a piece or two away, so I want to see immediate impact players selected if at all possible. Thus, my dream 1st and 2nd round mock... Round 1, Pick 28: Mackensie Alexander, CB Clemson He's brash and confident, and the tape does not lie. It won't come without some growing pains, but Alexander has the ability to step in day one and give us a great potential lockdown corner across from Marcus Peters. You can never have enough corners. The Chiefs are already in need of corner depth, but in this scenario we add it to the top of the heap. Week 1 against SD, Peters, Alexander, and Phillip Gaines form a really solid starting CB group while Steven Nelson provides great depth. Round 2, Pick 59: Shilique Calhoun, OLB Michigan State Here's a guy who is boom or bust. This one comes down most to me trusting Conley's development more than Ford. However, he is one of very few edge rushers in this draft that is equipped to contribute as a pass rusher immediately in the NFL. Again, a position in which you can never have enough of, this pick makes a ton of sense. Justin Houston could miss some time this season. Tamba Hali is at a point in his career where the downfall could come abruptly and unexpectedly. Dee Ford, while he has flashed, cannot be fully counted on just yet. This pick could give the Chiefs the deepest, most talented group of pass rushers in the NFL. Your turn. Last edited by pugsnotdrugs19; 04-19-2016 at 06:46 PM..
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3237775	Ok I'll break out of my rut choosing CB over pass rush and think outside the box a bit... the rush DOES aid coverage more than vice versa #1 DE Kevin Dodd, OLB for the Chiefs Thats right, the new Hali... stand him up 6'4 275, extremely quick with powerful hands and excellent balance, Dodd was just starting to tap his potential last season. Only played one season as a starter, but his quickness, motor and flexibility point to a pass rusher who can get to the QB off the edge or shoot gaps inside Some risk, potential All Pro reward CB Xavien Howard - 6'1 200 - great blend of size and athleticism. Has the flexibility and fluid hips to turn and run in press coverage. Too grabby downfield though, a habit that will have to be broken A player with clear starter upside
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2354064	Pauline who seems to be pretty well connected, says alexander has the best ball skills of any corner in this draft. But his attitude personality issues are really becoming a big issue. I'd pass.
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