Let's have a discussion about 2017.

[BossChief]

As it currently sits, KC sits with 24m in cap space (according to overthecap and that doesn't include Ware/Wests deals) without Fisher, Poe or Berry under contract.

The team needs to either pick up Fishers 11.9m option (for 2017) by May 2nd iirc or decide to let him walk.

Fletcher Cox is turning down a 100m deal with 60 guaranteed...that impacts any negotiation KC is having with Poe...not sure how much, though.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the negotiations with Berry, too. Not too many safeties getting crazy money. I wonder what Berrys side is asking for and using as their leverage.

Eric Fisher is improving, but 12m is a lot of money.

Some big changes are on the horizon and I wouldn't be surprised if KC loses 1 or 2 of those guys.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Need to draft Paxton Lynch and hand him the keys in 2017

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Poe's agent will saying he deserves to be paid like one of the best Interior DL in the league whether that is DT or NT is going to be irrelevant.

Poe is going to want huge money.

10m+ per

probably pushing towards 15

Keeping Howard was a big time move.

If Dorsey drafts interior DL this year(good year for it) then he is covering his ass for possibly losing Poe.

[O.city]

They can franchise poe twice if they can't sign him and let him hit the market then.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

We don't let good players get away/ John Dorsey

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by O.city

Possibly.

I think ware certainly has a chance, west is a bit overrated around here imo, but I think he's a solid player.

If Charles comes back healthy and in top form, he's a unique talent and combined with the current offensive weapons, could have an mvp type year.

7 million though with no cap hit is awfully tempting if it means to lock up younger, better players.

We almost get like 15 million just by cutting Charles, Colquitt and Mauga alone without much dead money. That is basically almost 2 of Poe, Fisher, Berry. That just seems like a no brainer to me.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

7 million though with no cap hit is awfully tempting if it means to lock up younger, better players.

We almost get like 15 million just by cutting Charles, Colquitt and Mauga alone without much dead money. That is basically almost 2 of Poe, Fisher, Berry. That just seems like a no brainer to me.

Oh I think they will likely move on, but if he's truly that productive it would be tough

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Poe is going to want huge money.

10m+ per

probably pushing towards 15

Keeping Howard was a big time move.

If Dorsey drafts interior DL this year(good year for it) then he is covering his ass for possibly losing Poe.

Chiefs are slotted at $24 million of cap space next year. I imagine Berry will sign and his cap hit this year will be lower like most teams. I also believe Fisher will get the 5th year option. With the cap rise expected to be like last year (why teams paid insane $$ for players this year), roughly $12m should expected to be added putting us around $36 million before making cuts.

$34 million sounds like worst case scenario, so Poe's deal would be a first year lower hit, Berry with probably $10 million in year 2 and Fisher's 5th year option of roughly $10 million would put us around $5 million to spend with cuts to open up more room.

2018 will be much tougher with he following guys being FA's:

Charles
J. Howard
Colquitt
D. Ford--5th year option?
A. Sherman
P. Gaines
A. Murray
Z. Fulton
LDT

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by RunKC

2018 will be much tougher with he following guys being FA's:

Charles
J. Howard
Colquitt
D. Ford--5th year option?
A. Sherman
P. Gaines
A. Murray
Z. Fulton
LDT

That's not rough, Charles will be almost done completely.

Gaines and Ford will be the hardest on that list, but only if they 'blow up'.

Gaines could possible be starting on the outside by then.
Ford could be the passrusher we hope he could be.

The rest are medium level signees.

I suppose Murray could be our franchise starting QB by then. lol

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

They can franchise poe twice if they can't sign him and let him hit the market then.

Tag amount for him will be over 14m and then 17 the second time.

In all honesty, it would be smart to try to trade him this offseason, if we can.

His value is pretty damn high

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Tag amount for him will be over 14m and then 17 the second time.

In all honesty, it would be smart to try to trade him this offseason, if we can.

His value is pretty damn high

He's pretty important to us right now, in the current window.

Tag him for 2 years at 31 mil is less than you'd have to guarantee him, no?

[BossChief]

Poe is the premier NT in the league and is a hell of a player, but I don't see him as a 14m per kinda impact player.

If we could get a first and third for him in this draft, id take it.

Move Howard to NT.

Draft a couple new DL in this draft on cheap contracts and use that money to bolster the lineup.

The back issues worry me when you look at how many snaps he's played.
He isn't exactly a sack monster
Until this year, he wasn't a very good run defender.

No way id give him 15m per on a long term deal.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Poe is the premier NT in the league and is a hell of a player, but I don't see him as a 14m per kinda impact player.

If we could get a first and third for him in this draft, id take it.

Move Howard to NT.

Draft a couple new DL in this draft on cheap contracts and use that money to bolster the lineup.

The back issues worry me when you look at how many snaps he's played.
He isn't exactly a sack monster
Until this year, he wasn't a very good run defender.

No way id give him 15m per on a long term deal.

I think you're underrating him and his importance. If you watch a lot of Jaye Howard's sacks/pressures, Poe is holding multiple guys in the middle so he can have 1v1 with the G.
I think it would be extremely difficult finding a replacement like Poe with his athleticism and power to collapse the pocket. That's so rare from a NT and those guys are almost never in the draft.

I think a better idea is to pay Poe a $13-14 million contract at most (if we can) and draft a DE to take over for Howard in 2 years bc with the way Howard is going, he's going to price himself out anyway.

It all depends on his back, but this draft seems rich with 3-4 DE's but I don't see any true NT's who are anywhere close to the speed and power Poe provides. Vernon Butler is the closest IMO, but I don't think he'd be as good at NT compared to DE.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

A healthy Poe deserves his money... He falls into the 'must gameplan for' category, along with Houston

[Quesadilla Joe]

I doubt Poe will get significantly more than Dan Williams did. Poe is good, but he's not in the same league as a guy like Marcell Dareus. If Poe wants $10M+ a year the Chiefs would be better off letting him walk.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I doubt Poe will get significantly more than Dan Williams did. Poe is good, but he's not in the same league as a guy like Marcell Dareus. If Poe wants $10M+ a year the Chiefs would be better off letting him walk.

Did you really just compare Poe to Dan ****ing Williams?

Kill yourself you ****ing troll.