Grading Dorsey's Trades with the Chiefs

[Dante84]

To date, here are the trades made under Dorsey’s reign…

1. Chiefs trade 2013 and 2014 second-round picks to 49ers for quarterback Alex Smith: The picks would eventually become wide receivers Justin Hunter and Cody Latimer. While both had some hype coming out of college, neither has been particularly productive in the NFL. Smith, meanwhile, has led the Chiefs to their first, back-to-back winning seasons since ’05 and ’06. Winner: Chiefs

2. Chiefs trade cornerback Javier Arenas to Cardinals for fullback Anthony Sherman: Arenas became a depth and role player for the Cardinals for one year before being let go. He spent 2014 in Atlanta and is currently a free agent. Sherman has been one of the best fullbacks in the NFL over the last two years. Winner: Chiefs

3. Chiefs trade linebacker Edgar Jones and 2014 seventh-round pick to Cowboys for 2014 sixth-round pick: The Cowboys used the pick on another linebacker, Will Smith. Neither Jones or Smith is still on the Dallas roster. The Chiefs used their pick on Zach Fulton, who started at offensive guard for the entire 2014 NFL season, and may reprise that role this year. Winner: Chiefs

4. Chiefs trade offensive lineman Rishaw Johnson to Buccaneers for defensive back Kelcie McCray: Johnson has bounced around training camps since the trade (five teams in under a year). McCray was a valuable special teams player. He is in the mix again this year. Winner: Chiefs

5. Chiefs trade 2015 fifth-round pick to Saints for Ben Grubbs: The Saints would use this pick on defensive tackle Tyeler Davison. The Saints would also later sign Chiefs guard Mike McGlynn. Grubbs is the only guaranteed starter on the Kansas City offensive line at this point. Winner: TBD…but hard to imagine it won’t be the Chiefs.

6. Chiefs trade 2015 third- and sixth-round picks to Vikings for 2015 third-round pick: The picks the Chiefs gave up turned into cornerback Alex Carter and defensive end BJ Dubose. The Chiefs used their acquired pick on wide receiver Chris Conley. The results of this trade will play out over the next year or so. Winner: TBD

By no means is this a large number of trades. The Chiefs have actually been one of the least likely teams to try and move around in the draft. However, when talking about player-for-player trades, Dorsey has resurrected a practice that had largely been abandoned by the rest of the league. Dorsey also shows a penchant for moving picks for players. And in each case except the Edgar Jones trade, the move was made with the intent of acquiring a specific player. And so far, that list shows that Dorsey knows exactly what he’s doing every time he makes a trade. Dorsey understands how to use his assets to obtain better options for the team.

The truly interesting trend of Dorsey’s trading habits is that he has made a player-for-player trade in each of the first two seasons of his tenure. While that is hardly a long enough stretch to make any scientific prediction, it does lend some credence to the idea that Kansas City will look to do the same this year. And why not? If you have a player that might not make the team, or is just wasting cap space on your depth chart, why not try to move him for someone that may have more of an impact?

Dorsey has touched on this before. Prior to the draft, when asked about moving picks, the Chiefs general manager said: “We have called around to express interest just to let everybody know we can talk…Let’s have an open line of communication. Whatever you have to offer, let’s talk about it.”

While that was specifically a reference to trading picks, it has been pretty obvious that he has the same policy across the board. Shortly before that interview, Dorsey had just locked up a trade with the Saints that brought Grubbs to Kansas City.

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[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

If Flacco was an "elite franchise QB" his team wouldn't need the Chiefs to beat San Diego with Chase Daniel in week 17 every year for them to even get to the playoffs.

Personally, I'd take Smith over Flacco but I agree that's super debatable.

But calling him an elite franchise QB is like calling Mr. Laz a poster with excellent football takes

I'd love to have him.

At least he has testicles.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I'd love to have him.

At least he has testicles.

And boy, do you looooooove testicles.

[Hootie]

this team has no better chance of winning with Joe Flacco at QB than Alex Smith

just because a guy got lucky 1 time in the playoffs doesn't mean a thing to me

has Flacco played his best football in the playoffs? Sure. But all 16 games of the regular season are important and playing at home in the playoffs is important. He is a mediocre regular season QB, at best, and the Chiefs would have had losing seasons the past two years with Joe Flacco at QB because he makes a metric shit ton of poor decisions (and he's a statue in the pocket).

2014 was his first good year as a pro. Where he was actually an above average QB.

and it was his 29 year old season

shocking, you know, since guys apparently can't get better in their late 20's according to CP

EITHER WAY, I'll need to see another year of Flacco not being 2013 or 2012 Flacco

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Cochise

It's hard to even guess how horrendous the Chiefs would have been last year with one of the league's worst offensive lines, if they'd had a mistake-prone QB. They might have set a record for offensive futility.

0 TD's to a WR.

[Hootie]

and Rahim Moore falling down on a 70 yard hail mary punt doesn't mean a thing to me

that one play has somehow made him "an elite franchise QB" on this board ... because it always comes back to the fact that he's won a Super Bowl (on a total fluke play in a game that was over)

what if Rahim Moore doesn't make the worst play ever?

Not a soul on this board would have thought Flacco was a franchise QB and Baltimore was going to trade him and start fresh

...I'm sorry, but 1 play and the fact he somehow plays his few good games every year after stumbling into the playoffs doesn't impress me much

[Hootie]

why is everyone so obsessed with the 0 TD's to a receiver stat?

who gives a shit? I just don't get it. If Kelce scores 35 TD's next year and Maclin scores 0 I'm not going to give a single ****

If Charles scores 35 TD's next year and Maclin scores 0, won't care

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

0 TD's to a WR.

You realize those count the same number of points as TDs to other player positions?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cochise

If you have a great QB and an average team, you are a contender.

If you have a great team with only an average QB, you are not.

I disagree. The days of "great QB's" are coming to an end. Once Brady, Brees, Peyton, Eli, Rothlisberger, Romo and Rodgers bow out of the league in the next few years, who's left, besides Luck?

Dalton? Wilson? Flacco? Kaepernick? Foles? RGIII?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

You realize those count the same number of points as TDs to other player positions?

Fantasy Football and Madden are the only way to evaluate whether a player or team has any worth.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

You realize those count the same number of points as TDs to other player positions?

I am just being a pain in the ass. I don't hate Alex. But his presence on this team has increased my apathy for the Chiefs. I just don't think he will ever take us to the promised land.

[Hootie]

I love how people keep 'ing at Russell Wilson.

Once Brady and Manning are gone ... the NFL will be Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson.

Wilson is a first ballot hall of famer talent and we have guys on this board that are parading around calling Joe Flacco "an elite franchise QB."

He completed less than 60% of his passes, had 22 picks and 8 INT's and a astonishingly bad 47 QBR in 2013.

Please point to one time Brady, Manning, Rodgers or Brees doing that. Or Romo.

Flacco had 3 good postseason games in 2012 and 2014 (total) and a few average ones and benefited from the worst defensive play ever and people parade around here acting like he'd be the answer.

You wanna know who would hate Joe Flacco if he were the Chiefs starting QB? THE SAME ****ING MORONS WHO RUIN EVERY THREAD WITH ALEX SMITH BASHING. Guaranteed. Let's all have CP Tuesday Night Ravens Night and watch replay of Joe Flacco and then tell me how ****ing good he is.

[Hootie]

Seriously, here are the QBR's for these QB's since QBR became a stat:

Peyton:
87
78
79
82
71
82
83
77

Aaron:
83
66
70
70
87
75
69
82

Tom:
62
87
68
66
77
73
78
61
74

Flacco:
43
53
59
57
46
46
67

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by DA_T_84

I think comparatively, we won the Smith trade. Whether or not we should have done it is another debate... But even still, he was the best possible option at the QB position at the time, and the stability he provided allowed us to win games.

What we do moving forward should be watched closely, but I have no issue with us making that trade, looking backwards.

Why does this Urban legend continue? There were options, Carson Palmer and others that would have cost nothing. Then pick up just Bray and Murray and have them ready to go. Honestly Buttchin does as well as Smith.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Why does this Urban legend continue? There were options, Carson Palmer and others that would have cost nothing. Then pick up just Bray and Murray and have them ready to go. Honestly Buttchin does as well as Smith.

**** Carson Palmer.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by DA_T_84

I call it a win.

The fact that we got the opportunity to try out another player, even though he failed too, as opposed to just straight cutting Baldwin, is a win.

To that same point, the 9ers can say the same about Jenkins; so maybe it is neutral.

BUuuuuut.... we got more production out of Jenkins than they did Baldwin, so I say win.

It was a win.

homer. neither are currently employed by either team from the trade. that's a neutral at best. you want to call what jenkins had 'production?' that's a participation ribbon at best.

I may be nit picking though