Chiefs All passing plays from Cardinals game: All 22 footage - Page 3

-King- · 01-24-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Chapter 29: 7 Yards in a 2:00 Drill.

Did you watch the video? Do you see the routes in that 2min span? How can you not blame Andy Reid for that?
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Nightfyre · 01-24-2015, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Did you watch the video? Do you see the routes in that 2min span? How can you not blame Andy Reid for that?
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Based on what I have watched:
There are a bunch of scripted plays in the first 3.5 minutes.
Then, the levels concept comes out and Alex is not going through his progressions completely before giving up on the play. Hell, he can't even be bothered to read the goddamned safeties before giving up on the play. He looks intermediate, then checkdown, then scramble.

-King- · 01-24-2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Is this from the original book of Alexcuses or is this a new addition?

There are plenty of missed plays from Alex. Who's excusing him? I've never said that he had a good season in 2014.
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dlphg9 · 01-24-2015, 10:42 AM

No wide receiver that is worth a damn will want to come here.

**Easy 6** · 01-24-2015, 01:44 PM

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No wide receiver that is worth a damn will want to come here.

Thats probably true, and it would be hard to blame them for feeling that way... we're going to have to make due with second tier free agents and rookies most likely.

Nightfyre · 01-24-2015, 01:54 PM

Look at the play at 3:56. He doesn't even give the play 3 seconds to develop before he tucks it to run. He got a good gain underneath. But with a man under cover 2 defense, the safeties both bit on the inside receiver and left both outside receivers (on go routes) in 1 on 1 coverage. I want my QB to take a shot on a there. Give your guy a chance in one on one on the outside. Maybe it was a scripted draw, but I doubt it frankly.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-24-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Look at the play at 3:56. He doesn't even give the play 3 seconds to develop before he tucks it to run. He got a good gain underneath. But with a man under cover 2 defense, the safeties both bit on the inside receiver and left both outside receivers (on go routes) in 1 on 1 coverage. I want my QB to take a shot on a there. Give your guy a chance in one on one on the outside. Maybe it was a scripted draw, but I doubt it frankly.

Couldn't agree more, but giving the WR a chance means risk of an INT in Alex's mind. Throws like that just aren't going to happen.

O.city · 01-24-2015, 02:01 PM

And that's where I just can't imagine that's what Andy Reid wants from his qb, but who knows.

Nightfyre · 01-24-2015, 02:05 PM

I think a large part of Alex Smith's problem is not giving the play a chance to develop. The first 3.5 minutes is all pre-scripted passing plays. But the very next play even, you see him give up on the play too early. He once again, does not read the safety and one on one coverage on the outside, in the end zone. If he just steps up in the pocket and slings it to the outside shoulder, that is a TD or an incomplete pass. The pocket was set up for him and he instead gives up on the play for a one yard scramble.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-24-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I think a large part of Alex Smith's problem is not giving the play a chance to develop. The first 3.5 minutes is all pre-scripted passing plays. But the very next play even, you see him give up on the play too early. He once again, does not read the safety and one on one coverage on the outside, in the end zone. If he just steps up in the pocket and slings it to the outside shoulder, that is a TD or an incomplete pass. The pocket was set up for him and he instead gives up on the play for a one yard scramble.

I think people give him way too much credit for being a smart QB. He's a technically sound QB who doesn't make mistakes. But I don't see him looking off safeties. He's constantly making boneheaded decisions about getting rid of the ball or throwing it away. He doesn't think about whether to throw it back shoulder, throwing a fade, etc.... His pocket awareness seems to be to stay in there, or just rollout if it's not secure. I think what we have is a guy who can really soundly run a pre-scripted offense and has some athleticism to run for yards as a bailout.

Deberg_1990 · 01-24-2015, 02:06 PM

He actually had decent stats in this game.

His problem is he misses about 1-3 opportunities in a lot of games for a big play.

He doesn't throw enough TDs and his team gets bogged down in the redZone.

Nightfyre · 01-24-2015, 02:10 PM

At 5:05, look how easily the defense reads him going to the checkdown. The intermediate route comes open by like 10 yards and he committed to the ****ing checkdown at 2 seconds in the pocket.

Mr. Laz · 01-24-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

At 5:05, look how easily the defense reads him going to the checkdown. The intermediate route comes open by like 10 yards and he committed to the ****ing checkdown at 2 seconds in the pocket.

He's a chickenshit

afraid of the pass rush
afraid to throw an Int

He usually takes the first safe option available.

Better Oline will help
Better WR will help
Reid having a more aggressive plan with help

Have no idea if all these things happen whether Smith will ever stop playing scared though. I imagine he will be less 'chicken' though.

O.city · 01-24-2015, 02:14 PM

I think he's become too gunshy in the pocket. Not necessarily that it isn't without reason, the ol was bad, but still gotta make plays

Nightfyre · 01-24-2015, 02:17 PM

5:30, Alex Smith doesn't read the coverage or he avoids that sack. When he saw Kelce get picked up by the linebacker, he needed to know that Wilson(?) was going to be released to off coverage. That is a poor pre-snap read in combination with McGlynn totally blowing his block. He literally doesn't even look left, but just stares at the pass rush after reading Kelce.

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01-24-2015, 01:54 PM	#6
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $2668849	Look at the play at 3:56. He doesn't even give the play 3 seconds to develop before he tucks it to run. He got a good gain underneath. But with a man under cover 2 defense, the safeties both bit on the inside receiver and left both outside receivers (on go routes) in 1 on 1 coverage. I want my QB to take a shot on a there. Give your guy a chance in one on one on the outside. Maybe it was a scripted draw, but I doubt it frankly.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $1554064	And that's where I just can't imagine that's what Andy Reid wants from his qb, but who knows.
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01-24-2015, 02:05 PM	#9
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $2668849	I think a large part of Alex Smith's problem is not giving the play a chance to develop. The first 3.5 minutes is all pre-scripted passing plays. But the very next play even, you see him give up on the play too early. He once again, does not read the safety and one on one coverage on the outside, in the end zone. If he just steps up in the pocket and slings it to the outside shoulder, that is a TD or an incomplete pass. The pocket was set up for him and he instead gives up on the play for a one yard scramble.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $2524454	He actually had decent stats in this game. His problem is he misses about 1-3 opportunities in a lot of games for a big play. He doesn't throw enough TDs and his team gets bogged down in the redZone. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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01-24-2015, 02:10 PM	#12
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $2668849	At 5:05, look how easily the defense reads him going to the checkdown. The intermediate route comes open by like 10 yards and he committed to the ****ing checkdown at 2 seconds in the pocket.
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01-24-2015, 02:14 PM	#14
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $1554064	I think he's become too gunshy in the pocket. Not necessarily that it isn't without reason, the ol was bad, but still gotta make plays
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01-24-2015, 02:17 PM	#15
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $2668849	5:30, Alex Smith doesn't read the coverage or he avoids that sack. When he saw Kelce get picked up by the linebacker, he needed to know that Wilson(?) was going to be released to off coverage. That is a poor pre-snap read in combination with McGlynn totally blowing his block. He literally doesn't even look left, but just stares at the pass rush after reading Kelce.
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