Chiefs Media starting to take "A Hard Look" at Andy Reid - Page 3

Chief Roundup · 12-09-2014, 07:59 PM

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The latest loss for the Kansas City Chiefs may be the hardest to reconcile. When a team struggles like they did in Arizona the entire organization needs to be ready to find the issues and correct them. Nothing is more corrosive to a team’s confidence than not knowing why its losing. It is the responsibility of both the players and staff.
Today, Andy Reid is in looking glass. I’ll discuss the players later this week in a special 2-part Chiefs’ Truths.

Evaluate Team including Andy Reid
John Dorsey was brought to Kansas City after Andy Reid was hired as Head Coach, supposedly on the recommendation of Reid. Now, he will be in the possibly difficult position of evaluating Reid’s performance leading the team.

There are 2 very disturbing trends.

The 2013 Kansas City Chiefs started 9-0 there first season on Reid’s leadership. Then came the bye week. After the bye, the Chiefs lost 6 of their next 8 games, bouncing from the playoffs in the first round (again). They were swept by Denver and San Diego and lost twice in three weeks to Indianapolis. For a squad that was young and somewhat cobbled together after the final roster cuts, it was a solid first season.

It’s a very big red flag to see the last 3 contests all come out as losses. It hints at 2014 repeating the pattern of 2014’s last 8 games where the Chiefs had two runs of back-to-back-to-back losses. The team was playing for a share of the AFC West lead 3 weeks ago and now will have to claw their way to be in position for the last Wildcard slot. To the eyes outside of the building at Arrowhead Drive, this is looking like a systemic issue with Reid and his staff fading as the season closes. Positions and even careers cannot withstand that kind of trend for long.

Stop saying “Its Fixable” and Fix It
The second trend seen in Kansas City has been a lack of answers. Reid has been unable to correct any of the issues with his offense. Alex Smith has been sacked and average of 3 times per game in 2014. Even worse, he’s had to deal with 11 sacks in the last 2 contests alone. Yet, there have been no personnel changes and no apparent scheme changes along the offensive line. One notable change was made to the wide receivers by getting some fresh blood, some old and some new, into the lineup. That was generally successful. (more on the players later this week in part 2)

Sutton did get a much better performance from his defensive line in Arizona. While Joe Mays bolstered the run defense while he was on the field, Josh Mauga and James-Michael Johnson continue to have assignment breakdowns that allow huge chunks of yardage. Overall his defense still was gashed by the run and unable to get off the field when it counted most. The secondary still has Ron Parker playing out of position at cornerback. Chris Owens has not been as advertised in the slot and Sutton, Emmitt Thomas and Al Harris have not been able to rebuild Marcus Copper’s confidence. At this point in the season, they defense could really benefit from a re-built Cooper.

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Yes, that is how many running plays Andy Reid called against the Cardinals. The imbalance in Reid’s offense has been a concern all season, regardless of how many men the defense puts in the box. However, it has hit critical mass in the last two contests. Against the Cardinals, he called only 21.8%

That is the lowest called run percentage of the season outside the opener versus the Titans.

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In fact, the called running play percentage has dropped in every contest since the last win versus Seattle. in Arizona, Charles was injured and had to leave the game. It was reasonable to not give him a full load the rest of the day.
That is why the Chiefs have Knile Davis. He is a more than capable stand-in for Charles and he’s proven it. He can catch and his more powerful running style can wear down a defense that is crowding the line with 8 men. Yet, Knile Davis got just 1 carry against Arizona.

After the Cardinals kicked a field goal to end their first drive of the second half, the Chiefs got the ball back leading 14-9. Charles gained 1 yard on first down. Then Reid proceeded to call 7 passing plays in a row. The last two plays resulted in the Fasano interference call and the Alex Smith interception. The play by Okafor to disengage and intercept a badly thrown pass was the turning point. Running the ball on any of the preceding 6 plays may have changed the outcome of the game. That fact rests squarely on Andy Reid.

ILChief · 12-09-2014, 08:43 PM

Sean Payton is benching and cutting players to send a message. We will learn and get better

Reerun_KC · 12-09-2014, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't agree.

It's Reid's fault Smith is here. But do I think Smith was an extension of Harbaugh? No. Reid has been an aggressive downfield play caller. I am pretty sure the check downs have a lot more to do with Alex being Alex.

More reidcuses. If he didn't want Smith checking down and running a short to intermediate passing game. The reid would make changes to the play calling and game plan.

And let's not discuss running the ball. Amazing how reid gets excused and this is turned into a bash smith thread. Typical.

**Bugeater** · 12-09-2014, 08:49 PM

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John Dorsey was brought to Kansas City after Andy Reid was hired as Head Coach, supposedly on the recommendation of Reid. Now, he will be in the possibly difficult position of evaluating Reid’s performance leading the team.

Dorsey's waste of two 1st round draft picks isn't exactly helping the situation. Maybe someone should take a hard look at him too.

**notorious** · 12-09-2014, 08:49 PM

Alex Smith would have been a good QB in the 80's and 90's when turnover ratio decided nearly every game.

Throwing picks today is not nearly as devastating.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-09-2014, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

More reidcuses. If he didn't want Smith checking down and running a short to intermediate passing game. The reid would make changes to the play calling and game plan.

And let's not discuss running the ball. Amazing how reid gets excused and this is turned into a bash smith thread. Typical.

Reid is a terrible game manager, makes head-scratching play calls at the wrong times, forgets to run the ball, and we always have to make up for a few critical mistakes in every game. For that reason, I don't think he's a Super Bowl coach.

I know what Reid is. But that doesn't mean he's to blame for everything. We were in the game on almost every loss but 2 in the 4th. When I look at those 4 losses, those failures at the end are largely due to Alex Smith. That's why I place a lot more blame at the feet of Alex Smith.

No, I don't think getting rid of Alex Smith is the solution. But I think a QB who can actually close games would have us easily in the playoffs. And in the playoffs, I believe Reid would duff a game with some dumb decision in a critical moment.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-09-2014, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater

Dorsey's waste of two 1st round draft picks isn't exactly helping the situation. Maybe someone should take a hard look at him too.

Even if it doesn't make any sense why the talent is doing what it's doing, the Chiefs have hugely improved the talent on defense. We know Smith is not a WR QB and Kelce, Sherman, Knile Davis, and DAT do enable Smith to dink and dunk.

I have a lot of questions about whether an OL or WR corps would make a big difference at all. If I'm ranking in order, the problems are Smith > Reid > Dorsey and Sutton a distant last.

Chief Roundup · 12-09-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater

Dorsey's waste of two 1st round draft picks isn't exactly helping the situation. Maybe someone should take a hard look at him too.

I think someone is implying that John Dorsey actually has wasted his first two picks in his first two drafts. I won't go that far. I still have hope that Ford will turn out like Hali and that Fisher will only improve. Hali didn't look very good his first couple of years.
Just trying to be positive. I know, we should of, could of, all that with those picks. We didn't and we are stuck with these guys for now. I just hope they improve and are not complete wastes.

Mr. Laz · 12-09-2014, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Emmitt Thomas and Al Harris have not been able ...

I don't think Emmit Thomas has really developed anyone in his 4 years here.

inherited Flowers/Carr

Berry is a great athlete but hasn't really developed.

Cooper regressed

Adbullah learned somewhere else

Javier Arenas for 2 years?

I know, i know it's the GM's fault.

I guess he did a good job with the Philly defense but have seen much as a positional coach.

Mr. Laz · 12-09-2014, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Sean Payton is benching and cutting players to send a message. We will learn and get better

Reid is too nice, doesn't do that much at all

seems to me that Reid has always had problems with the Oline

something about his coaching or system?

Chief Roundup · 12-09-2014, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If I'm ranking in order, the problems are Smith > Reid > Dorsey and Sutton a distant last.

Last probably, I still haven't forgotten the playoff collapse by the D, so not distant. I would put him neck and neck with Dorsey.

Reerun_KC · 12-09-2014, 09:11 PM

Mine is Reid - Sutton - Smith - Dorsey.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-09-2014, 09:20 PM

chiefzilla1501 · 12-09-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I don't think Emmit Thomas has really developed anyone in his 4 years here.

inherited Flowers/Carr

Berry is a great athlete but hasn't really developed.

Cooper regressed

Adbullah learned somewhere else

Javier Arenas for 2 years?

I know, i know it's the GM's fault.

I guess he did a good job with the Philly defense but have seen much as a positional coach.

I disagree. Sean Smith has become a stud. Gaines is playing really well for a rookie. I think we're getting about all we can out of Abdullah and Parker, and guys like Fleming and Owens have been just fine.

Nobody expected that talent to play well but they are. This is, by the way, the first year I've thought that about Thomas.

**Dave Lane** · 12-09-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Poor preparation and planning leads to that last minute

NO poor QB play does. Andy called plays that were down the field but some one checked out of them. I can't imagine who.

Reerun_KC · 12-09-2014, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

NO poor QB play does. Andy called plays that were down the field but some one checked out of them. I can't imagine who.

Yep just like when we get cute inside the 5 yard line with JC in the back field.

Its all smiths fault. Reid is excused.

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