Compensatory picks. Kendrick Lewis for the win!

[chiefzilla1501]

Right now, branden Albert, asamoah, and Tyson Jackson have cemented themselves as starters. Kendrick Lewis is the wild card as he is actually playing a lot in Houston. Factor in that there are several cut players who raise the chiefs' lost value... Demps and mccluster are getting lots of snaps, and Schwartz was a projected starter.

Compare that to who the Chiefs gained. I would bet Mauga, Owens, and mcglynn were added too late. And mays and walker have barely played. Think we will be very pleased with our draft haul.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you've watched every game this year and have come to the conclusion that the Chiefs aren't much improved over last year, there's no reason for us to have this conversation.

They've played the toughest schedule in the afc up to this point and could/should be 5-1.

A year after playing one of the all time easiest schedules and beating up on backup qbs. They didn't have a single win last year that was against a better team than their 3 wins this year.

Again, bitching just to bitch

We lost to the exact same team we beat last year. That team's record this year is 2-5. We're one of their 2 wins.

You keep saying this team is better. Other than the obvious suck that was Lewis at what position are we "better" this year?

Our line is worse. Our WR's and QB are exactly the same. So are our HBs.

Our defense sure as hell isn't better with DJ out for the year and Berry gone for half our games.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We lost to the exact same team we beat last year. That team's record this year is 2-5. We're one of their 2 wins.

You keep saying this team is better. Other than the obvious suck that was Lewis at what position are we "better" this year?

Our line is worse. Our WR's and QB are exactly the same. So are our HBs.

Our defense sure as hell isn't better with DJ out for the year and Berry gone for half our games.

Literally none of the numbers used to determine any of this quantitatively, agree with any of the stuff you just said.
Save for the Titans loss, which is looking more and more like an outlier.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Lets see, I addressed the WR part, LG help? No not seeing the absolute need, and as far as the secondary we are 2nd in pass defense and 10th in overall defense and we should get Berry back soon. Top that off with losing DJ and I would have to say our depth isn't too horrible. We get Mays back soon too. Oh yea we are the only team in the NFL yet to surrender a rushing TD. (I guess that offsets our WR TD drought).

We have played Manning, Brady, and Rivers in half our games so its not like we are feasting on shit QB's again.

I mean yea, I would love to have all pro talent at every position if we can figure out how to make that work but aside from Denver that doesn't seem to be plausible.

Wasted off season? I don't see how. Completely mis-evaluated off-season sounds closer to the truth to me.

Its ok to admit that Dorsey may know more about football than CP, its not a bad thing.

pass the doobie, i need some of that

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We lost to the exact same team we beat last year. That team's record this year is 2-5. We're one of their 2 wins.

You keep saying this team is better. Other than the obvious suck that was Lewis at what position are we "better" this year?

Our line is worse. Our WR's and QB are exactly the same. So are our HBs.

Our defense sure as hell isn't better with DJ out for the year and Berry gone for half our games.

The Titans are not the same team they were last year. And teams lose games that they should win all of the time. It's how football is.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We lost to the exact same team we beat last year. That team's record this year is 2-5. We're one of their 2 wins.

You keep saying this team is better. Other than the obvious suck that was Lewis at what position are we "better" this year?

Our line is worse. Our WR's and QB are exactly the same. So are our HBs.

Our defense sure as hell isn't better with DJ out for the year and Berry gone for half our games.

Last year, we got to the playoffs on what we know was a patty cake schedule. We all know we were watching a shit offense and as the second half of the season plugged along, realized out defense was not at all good.

This year, our offense looks solid. Our defense looks solid. That is a significant improvement over the shit stain we saw throughout much of last year. That's improvement.

I don't think it's enough improvement. I agree this is still a 9-7 team. But that's pretty impressive for a team everyone on here claimed took a huge step backwards.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

The Titans are not the same team they were last year. And teams lose games that they should win all of the time. It's how football is.

More importantly, it's clear as day that the Chiefs lost that game because they were unprepared, not because of talent.

[Exoter175]

Compensatory draft pick determinations are based on the salary, playing time and postseason honors of the free agents each team lost during the previous offseason.

Each team is allowed a maximum of four compensatory picks, and selections will only be awarded to organizations that signed fewer players than they lost to free agency. That does not include players cut, players released after signing the year before or players making the league minimum.

In addition to the 32 selections in each of the seven rounds, a total of 32 compensatory picks are awarded to teams that have lost more or better compensatory free agents than they signed in the previous year.[58] Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

All compensatory picks are awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7.

If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").

Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.

Quoted these for the OP so that he doesn't focus too much on how well a guy is playing, or if he's playing, but also because there are determinations for Salary size, and most importantly of all, whether or not the "pick" team was able to land comparable talent in Free Agency.

Those signings were as follows.

January 11, 2014 Signed RB Joe McKnight, LB Jordan Campbell, CB DeMarcus Van Dyke, DT Dominique Hamilton, OT R.J. Dill, DB Jerron McMillian and DE Brandon Moore.

February 14, 2014 Signed TE Richard Gordon to a one-year contract.
February 7, 2014 Released CB Dunta Robinson. Signed WR Weston Dressler.

March 26, 2014 Signed DT Cory Grissom.
March 18, 2014 Signed LB Frank Zombo and DT Vance Walker.
March 12, 2014 Signed DB Husain Abdullah, LB Joe Mays and OL Jeff Linkenbach.

July 24, 2014 Signed OT Ryan Harris and LB Josh Mauga. Released LB DeRon Furr. Placed FB James Baker on the reserve/did not report list.

August 27, 2014 Signed G Mike McGlynn. Waived OL Ben Gottschalk.

September 9, 2014 Signed DT Kevin Vickerson to a one-year contract. Activated WR Dwayne Bowe from reserve/suspension. Signed LB Jerry Franklin from the practice squad. Placed LB Derrick Johnson and DE Mike DeVito on injured reserve. Waived DB Daniel Sorensen. Waived FB Jordan Campbell, C Ben Gottschalk, DT Hebron Fangupo and WR Darryl Surgent from the practice squad. Signed WR Armon Binns, OT Curtis Feigt, TE Adam Schiltz, CB Robert Steeples and DT Jerel Worthy to the practice squad.

The ones in bold are the only ones I see really stirring up any trouble for us in the compensatory draft picks meeting, and those additions, go up against the following.

The Chiefs lost five free agents before you could say Marty Schottenheimer, with three-fifths of their offensive line — left tackle Branden Albert, and guards Jon Asamoah and Geoff Schwartz — along with defensive end Tyson Jackson and receiver-returner Dexter McCluster all skipping town almost immediately.

So, obviously with those names seen, we're getting picks, and one could argue that we lost 4 guys worth a 3rd round compensatory pick based on production, or their original draft pick and games played (tyson jackson as an example).

Obviously that's not going to happen, but you can, and often, will see picks awarded twice in the same round as we saw last year multiple times.

At this point, I think we're guaranteed at least 3 selections of 3rd to 5th round values. Losing Albert should gain a 3rd rounder, especially since he was a starter and was drafted here, and made solid money on the market. The same could be said for Asamoah and Schwartz with 4th and 5th round "floor" marks, as high as two 3rds IMO. Tyson Jackson, a former first rounder and starter "should" yield a 3rd rounder, but he's tyson jackson so we'll probably have to give our 7th just to forget that name here in KC. McCluster was like a 3rd round pick or something and statistically had "significant" production here in KC and signed a fairly decent contract himself, though I consider him the talent "runt" of the bunch, his contract, draft selection, and production should weigh enough in my mind to balance our compensatory selections against this years' additions to give us a 4th selection in the 6th round.

I think we're likely going to see 3 picks in the 3-5th rounds, and an extra pick in the 6th round here "if" we get the 4th selection and don't get shafted by the Mauga/McGlynn pickups.

I'd like to believe that Albert, Asamoah, Schwartz, and Jackson are our basis points here for the compensatory selections as we all but failed to replace all of them (whether they were needed or not) and have talents and contracts high enough to award two 3rds and two 4ths, but here in this day of the NFL, I'll assume something closer to 3rd, two 4ths, and a 6th when they close those talks in marchish.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Rausch is the same guy that said they had no shot of beating the Chargers so....

[FlaChief58]

Well, it fits right into what Dorsey has been preaching. 11 picks next year and cap room sounds good as long as he can hit on 4-5 of those

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think it's enough improvement. I agree this is still a 9-7 team. But that's pretty impressive for a team everyone on here claimed took a huge step backwards.

Last year we lost by 1 point, on the road, in the playoffs.

This year we likely won't get there. I'm sure 9-7 in this division won't get us there.

I'm not saying this team is terrible. I'm saying this team could have been 11-5 again with just one or two STARTING LEVEL players added.

A possession receiver. A respectable G. A CB to come in and challenge our no 2...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Quoted these for the OP so that he doesn't focus too much on how well a guy is playing, or if he's playing, but also because there are determinations for Salary size, and most importantly of all, whether or not the "pick" team was able to land comparable talent in Free Agency.

Those signings were as follows.












The ones in bold are the only ones I see really stirring up any trouble for us in the compensatory draft picks meeting, and those additions, go up against the following.


So, obviously with those names seen, we're getting picks, and one could argue that we lost 4 guys worth a 3rd round compensatory pick based on production, or their original draft pick and games played (tyson jackson as an example).

Obviously that's not going to happen, but you can, and often, will see picks awarded twice in the same round as we saw last year multiple times.

At this point, I think we're guaranteed at least 3 selections of 3rd to 5th round values. Losing Albert should gain a 3rd rounder, especially since he was a starter and was drafted here, and made solid money on the market. The same could be said for Asamoah and Schwartz with 4th and 5th round "floor" marks, as high as two 3rds IMO. Tyson Jackson, a former first rounder and starter "should" yield a 3rd rounder, but he's tyson jackson so we'll probably have to give our 7th just to forget that name here in KC. McCluster was like a 3rd round pick or something and statistically had "significant" production here in KC and signed a fairly decent contract himself, though I consider him the talent "runt" of the bunch, his contract, draft selection, and production should weigh enough in my mind to balance our compensatory selections against this years' additions to give us a 4th selection in the 6th round.

I think we're likely going to see 3 picks in the 3-5th rounds, and an extra pick in the 6th round here "if" we get the 4th selection and don't get shafted by the Mauga/McGlynn pickups.

I'd like to believe that Albert, Asamoah, Schwartz, and Jackson are our basis points here for the compensatory selections as we all but failed to replace all of them (whether they were needed or not) and have talents and contracts high enough to award two 3rds and two 4ths, but here in this day of the NFL, I'll assume something closer to 3rd, two 4ths, and a 6th when they close those talks in marchish.

I'm pretty sure that any deals after June 1 are handled differently. So most of those chiefs additions are irrelevant. Also, resigning players doesn't impact compensatory. So we are still in a stage where we gave up a shitload and only acquired a few.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Draft picks given for free agent players lost.

There's a whole equation the NFL uses to determine who deserves what round and how many. As far as I know the exact formula has never been released.

It's generally understood that it's starting FA's lost - starting FA's gained = X draft pick/s.

The highest is a 3rd and they're given out at the end of every round...

So if it's at the end of every round, does that mean that somebody LOST some picks to make up for these, or they're just added on, meaning that every draft there is a different number of players taken depending on how many compensatory picks were awarded?

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm pretty sure that any deals after June 1 are handled differently. So most of those chiefs additions are irrelevant. Also, resigning players doesn't impact compensatory. So we are still in a stage where we gave up a shitload and only acquired a few.

I'm fairly certain there's going to be some kind of section for post-June1's in their "super secret" formula, alas, I believe there's also some kind of addition to the formula for guys acquired in free agency for depth, who step up and play well in the absence of the starters (Mauga as an example) and for guys who have little to no impact due to injury (Mays as an example).

Obviously the Compensatory selection formula is proprietary and we will never "know" about it, we can just speculate purely on the "rules" they have let public to us, like the ones I quoted in the previous post.

Ideally, this formula says "Oh ****, they lost Albert, Schwartz, Asamoah, Jackson, AND McCluster?", "Better give them two 3rds and two 4ths".

More importantly, we're competing in losses, against the other teams that also failed to "bring in" more talent than those that had left, and with only 32 total compensatory selections available, the elbow room can be a little lacking, but from what I remember from the off season, there should be about 9 teams "out" of the compensatory rulings, assuming they can fill 32 draft picks (and they can), and of those remaining 23 teams or so, only a handful of them will be receiving multiple picks, the Chiefs included.

Its for this reason that I truly believe we will only receive 3 of the 32 compensatory selections, instead of 4, but I truly wish that the NFL sees how much talent we lost at the Offensive Line and awards us the 4th and also gives us "equal" compensation for those losses, instead of just saying "oh, well, they get 4 picks anyways, stuff them in the back". Instead of seeing 3 of the top 10 linemen in the league at their respected positions departing this team.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

So if it's at the end of every round, does that mean that somebody LOST some picks to make up for these, or they're just added on, meaning that every draft there is a different number of players taken depending on how many compensatory picks were awarded?

They are added at the ends of rounds 3 through 7. Nobody loses picks, and there will always be 32 "compensatory" selection positions to fill, which get filled based on losses and draft priority if I'm not mistaken.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

So if it's at the end of every round, does that mean that somebody LOST some picks to make up for these, or they're just added on, meaning that every draft there is a different number of players taken depending on how many compensatory picks were awarded?

Not the source I quoted last year but it's got the basics down.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...st-projections

While the NFL has kept the formula determining the exact pick each team will get a secret, the basic rules for the compensatory selections is common knowledge thanks to publicly released documents from the league.

Compensatory draft pick determinations are based on the salary, playing time and postseason honors of the free agents each team lost during the previous offseason. For example, the Pittsburgh Steelers should receive one of the top compensatory picks after losing wide receiver Mike Wallace to the Miami Dolphins via free agency.

...

Each team is allowed a maximum of four compensatory picks, and selections will only be awarded to organizations that signed fewer players than they lost to free agency. That does not include players cut, players released after signing the year before or players making the league minimum.

The exact formula for where each selection will take place may not be known, but the size of the contract each free agent signed has been a major determining factor in previous years.