Chiefs Nick Jacobs final 53 2.0 - Page 3

Mr_Tomahawk · 08-20-2014, 09:26 AM

For those who care.

I tend to agree with his rankings although I think if Succop keeps hitting 54-yard FG during preseason, he will keep his job.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/8...uad-prediction

QB (3)

1. Alex Smith

2. Tyler Bray

3. Chase Daniel

IR with Designation to Return: Aaron Murray

Aaron Murray will need time to develop. He's late with some throws and needs to work on his accuracy. He's still learning to read defenses. Meanwhile, Bray is another player that must be developed. He has a franchise caliber arm so he stays on the roster. Daniel is a good player for Bray to have in the quarterback room.

HB (4)

1. Jamaal Charles

2. Knile Davis

3. Joe McKnight

4. De'Anthony Thomas

Cut: Cyrus Gray (Trade bait), Charcandrick West (PS)

McKnight in and Cyrus Gray are the biggest surprises here. Gray has shown an increase in speed and solid vision in game situations as well as a reliable special teams contributor. That said, I predict McKnight is the better option despite his injury. He had one of the best spring practices before offseason knee surgery. The Chiefs had a chance to see what he can do.

FB (1)

1. Anthony Sherman

Cut: Jordan Campbell

Campbell has a ways to go in his transition to fullback from linebacker. He doesn't look comfortable at the position yet.

WR (6)

1. Dwayne Bowe

2. Donnie Avery

3. Albert Wilson

4. Junior Hemingway

5. Kyle Williams

6. Frankie Hammond

Cut: AJ Jenkins, Mark Harrison (PS), Jerrell Jackson, Weston Dressler, Fred Williams, Darryl Surgent and Deon Anthony

Avery has his ups and downs but there is no one on the Chiefs roster who can push him right now.

AJ Jenkins looked to be a lock in spring practices but in training camp he has struggled with drops, injuries and inconsistency. Williams gets the nod over Jenkins because of his performance in camp. Williams had a hamstring injury but still pushed through camp with consistent effort, routinely catching the passes thrown his way.

Wilson found a home in Kansas City. He separated himself in training camp and gave the Chiefs speed at the slot position. Hammond had a camp that rivaled Wilson's. The two receivers saw a lot of action in camp and Hammond has speed and playmaking ability that the Chiefs lack.

Hemingway is a physical possession receiver but also a great special teams performer.

If the Chiefs can find upgrades for Avery, Hemingway or Williams on the waiver wire, there could see some new additions.

TE (3)

1. Anthony Fasano

2. Travis Kelce

3. Demetrius Harris

Cut: Richard Gordon, Adam Schiltz

Fasano can sit down in the zones and block very well while Kelce is a mismatch in the passing game with his speed. Harris will be given time to develop while providing a more athletic tight end at the third position.

OL (8)

1. Donald Stephenson

2. Zach Fulton

3. Rodney Hudson

4. Jeff Allen

5. Eric Fisher

6. Eric Kush

7. Ryan Harris

8. Ricky Henry

Cut: Rishaw Johnson, J'Marcus Webb, Jeff Linkenbach, Ryan McKee (PS), Otis Hudson, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (PS), Ben Gottschalk

The line position is a concern. Stephenson and Fulton are the two best in terms of technique and have solid punches. Hudson and Allen have improved from last season. Fisher will answer a lot about his future after this season.

Johnson can't handle a bull rush and doesn't seem to understand blocking angles. Webb struggled most of camp. Linkenbach struggled with his re-anchor and base at times.

The depth on this roster is solid but could use upgrades. The waiver wire will be the Chiefs friend on the offensive line.

DE (4)

1. Mike DeVito

2. Jaye Howard

3. Allen Bailey

4. Mike Catapano

Howard has seized an opportunity for playing time with Mike DeVito's injury. Bailey is a solid rotational player.

Catapano has missed a great deal of camp with his virus. It will be interesting how the team handles his situation. Walker or Hamilton could potentially take his spot.

NT (2)

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1. Dontari Poe

2. Vance Walker

Walker provides the team a rotational player at all three positions and allows Poe a chance to rest. The Chiefs could use additional depth off the waiver wire.

OLB (5)

1. Justin Houston

2. Tamba Hali

3. Dee Ford

4. Josh Martin

5. Frank Zombo

Cut: Devan Walker

Houston showed up in camp in tremendous shape. The Georgia alumnus looks stronger.

Ford needs work on building his pass rush moves. He has incredible quickness in his speed and first step, but speed rushing only works for so long. Tackles get use to the speed and can negate the best rushers. Ford will need time to learn multiple moves and how to set up a tackle.

Martin had an impressive camp. He showed a solid set of pass rush skills. The Columbia alumnus will push his way on the field in obvious pass rushing situations. Martin also provides a nice shot on special teams.

Zombo is solid depth and a good special teams player.

ILB (4)

1. Derrick Johnson

2. Joe Mays

3. James Michael-Johnson

4. Josh Mauga

Cut: Nico Johnson, Alonzo Highsmith

Mays will be a force and a leader in this defense. JMJ is a solid special teams performer who looks better in coverage and has very good instincts against the run. Mauga is a good run stuffer at the inside position. He knows Bob Sutton's system and has solid assignment discipline against the run. Mauga also understands how to beat blocks.

Nico Johnson just misses too many tackles. He looks lost at times in pass coverage.

CB (6)

1. Marcus Cooper

2. Sean Smith

3. Chris Owens

4. Ron Parker

5. Phillip Gaines

6. DeMarcus Van Dyke

Cut: Vernon Kearney, Kevin Rutland, Justin Rogers, Brandon Jones, Damond Smith

Cooper will be the number one corner. Smith will likely push his way back to the second spot. Owens provides the team a speedy nickel corner with attitude. He gives the Chiefs what Brandon Flowers did last season but at a much cheaper rate.

Parker has struggled in game situations. Gaines needs time to develop his skills set and adjust to the speed. Van Dyke will likely be the sixth corner or on practice squad. He shows promise that needs to be developed.

The organization needs to look for upgrades on the waiver wire.

FS (2)

1. Husain Abdullah

2. Malcolm Bronson

IR: Sanders Commings

Commings status hasn't been updated since his surgery. That is not a great sign for his availability.

Bronson has pushed his way onto the roster. He doesn't look overmatched at the position. He also can play nicker corner and contribute on special teams.

SS (2)

1. Eric Berry

2. Daniel Sorensen

Cut: Jonathon Amaya, Jerron McMillian

Sorensen has shown promise at the safety position. He finished strong in camp and will be a solid special teams contributor.

Special Teams (3)

1. Cairo Santos

2. Dustin Colquitt

3. Thomas Gafford

Santos has been consistent throughout camp. He has better range in his kickoffs and long range field goals. Santos has solid contact on the footballs and provides an upgrade at a cheaper rate.

Practice Squad

These 10 players are capable of making the roster but need time to develop.

1. RB Charcandrick West

2. WR Mark Harrison

3. OT Ryan McKee

4. OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif

5. NT Dominique Hamilton

6. CB Vernon Kearney

7. WR Darryl Surgent

8. LB Devan Walker

9. DE Jairus Campbell

10. FB Jordan Campbell

Mr_Tomahawk · 08-20-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

MOAR BRAY!

Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher·1 hr
Reid said starters would play into 3rd quarter vs. Minnesota. Bray will be first QB in game after Smith

jd1020 · 08-20-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher·1 hr
Reid said starters would play into 3rd quarter vs. Minnesota. Bray will be first QB in game after Smith

He said that in last weeks post game.

He said "This week was Murray, next week is Bray."

John Dope · 08-20-2014, 01:56 PM

Nico Johnson is really good on special teams. Mauga is good but he isn't as good as Nico. Also, Nico knows Toub's system well. The truth is we probably will never need that 4th MLB to start anyway. I really doubt they go with Mauga over Nico Johnson.

Hammock Parties · 08-20-2014, 01:59 PM

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Mays will be a force and a leader in this defense.

This is why I stopped taking anything Nick Jacobs writes seriously a long time ago.

John Dope · 08-20-2014, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

This is why I stopped taking anything Nick Jacobs writes seriously a long time ago.

Yeah that's taking it a little bit too far but Mays is playing at a very high level right now.

thabear04 · 08-20-2014, 02:22 PM

Direckshun · 08-20-2014, 02:23 PM

The Chiefs are definitely looking to trade Gray. That's why he's getting the majority of the carries in the 2nd halves of these preseason games.

CoMoChief · 08-20-2014, 02:26 PM

If the season started tomorrow I'd start Stephenson at LT and Harris at RT.

**The Franchise** · 08-20-2014, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

If the season started tomorrow I'd start Stephenson at LT and Harris at RT.

I hate that I agree with you.

Discuss Thrower · 08-20-2014, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

The Chiefs are definitely looking to trade Gray. That's why he's getting the majority of the carries in the 2nd halves of these preseason games.

I'm not sure that's the fair thing to say.

JC is rightfully missing time as both protection and because of injury. Knile Davis has shown he's got great speed but some ball security problems but is also the de facto starter with JC on the sidelines, so he's not going to get many reps in the second halves of preseason games.

Charcandrick West is a huge unknown that probably won't get reps on a team that stresses ball control above all else.

I think they keep Gray because he's too important on special teams and is currently the only guy you would trust to be a starting RB if JC and KD go down.

Further, who will trade for him? For one I believe most other FOs think the Chiefs will go 4 deep at RB: JC, KD, D'AT and Sherman. If that's the case then they'd be foolish to flip a pick for a guy you can get off waivers.

If other GMs believe he'll stay on the roster, then who's really hurting for a back? Maybe Houston or Buffalo.

thabear04 · 08-20-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I'm not sure that's the fair thing to say.

JC is rightfully missing time as both protection and because of injury. Knile Davis has shown he's got great speed but some ball security problems but is also the de facto starter with JC on the sidelines, so he's not going to get many reps in the second halves of preseason games.

Charcandrick West is a huge unknown that probably won't get reps on a team that stresses ball control above all else.

I think they keep Gray because he's too important on special teams and is currently the only guy you would trust to be a starting RB if JC and KD go down.

Further, who will trade for him? For one I believe most other FOs think the Chiefs will go 4 deep at RB: JC, KD, D'AT and Sherman. If that's the case then they'd be foolish to flip a pick for a guy you can get off waivers.

If other GMs believe he'll stay on the roster, then who's really hurting for a back? Maybe Houston or Buffalo.

Eagles might trade Chris Polk now that they got Kenjon Barner.

Mr_Tomahawk · 08-20-2014, 04:16 PM

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs71·11 mins
Based on my article. Most think Bray or Daniel is getting cut. Gray will get the nod over McKnight & Succop over Santos. Agree to disagree.

jd1020 · 08-20-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs71·11 mins
Based on my article. Most think Bray or Daniel is getting cut. Gray will get the nod over McKnight & Succop over Santos. Agree to disagree.

Agree with everything, but it better be Daniel getting cut. Alex, Daniel, and Murray could be triplets. Bray is the only one that offers a different option.

Jim Lahey · 08-20-2014, 04:52 PM

"Jeff Allen" and "improved" in the same sentence is enough to nullify the entire post.

Joe McKnight has zero chance at making the 53. Nick had to have been drunk when he came up with this shit.

Dunerdr · 08-20-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by John Dope

Nico Johnson is really good on special teams. Mauga is good but he isn't as good as Nico. Also, Nico knows Toub's system well. The truth is we probably will never need that 4th MLB to start anyway. I really doubt they go with Mauga over Nico Johnson.

Jalil brown was an ace gunner and Dorsey dropped him like flaming shit for a total unknown in Marcus cooper. Special teams is not enough to save Nico from the monster that is mauga. One can cover one cannot. One could stay on the field for 3rd down against a hurry up offense the other is a complete liability.

08-20-2014, 09:26 AM
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $2780526	Nick Jacobs final 53 2.0 For those who care. I tend to agree with his rankings although I think if Succop keeps hitting 54-yard FG during preseason, he will keep his job. http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/8...uad-prediction QB (3) 1. Alex Smith 2. Tyler Bray 3. Chase Daniel IR with Designation to Return: Aaron Murray Aaron Murray will need time to develop. He's late with some throws and needs to work on his accuracy. He's still learning to read defenses. Meanwhile, Bray is another player that must be developed. He has a franchise caliber arm so he stays on the roster. Daniel is a good player for Bray to have in the quarterback room. HB (4) 1. Jamaal Charles 2. Knile Davis 3. Joe McKnight 4. De'Anthony Thomas Cut: Cyrus Gray (Trade bait), Charcandrick West (PS) McKnight in and Cyrus Gray are the biggest surprises here. Gray has shown an increase in speed and solid vision in game situations as well as a reliable special teams contributor. That said, I predict McKnight is the better option despite his injury. He had one of the best spring practices before offseason knee surgery. The Chiefs had a chance to see what he can do. FB (1) 1. Anthony Sherman Cut: Jordan Campbell Campbell has a ways to go in his transition to fullback from linebacker. He doesn't look comfortable at the position yet. WR (6) 1. Dwayne Bowe 2. Donnie Avery 3. Albert Wilson 4. Junior Hemingway 5. Kyle Williams 6. Frankie Hammond Cut: AJ Jenkins, Mark Harrison (PS), Jerrell Jackson, Weston Dressler, Fred Williams, Darryl Surgent and Deon Anthony Avery has his ups and downs but there is no one on the Chiefs roster who can push him right now. AJ Jenkins looked to be a lock in spring practices but in training camp he has struggled with drops, injuries and inconsistency. Williams gets the nod over Jenkins because of his performance in camp. Williams had a hamstring injury but still pushed through camp with consistent effort, routinely catching the passes thrown his way. Wilson found a home in Kansas City. He separated himself in training camp and gave the Chiefs speed at the slot position. Hammond had a camp that rivaled Wilson's. The two receivers saw a lot of action in camp and Hammond has speed and playmaking ability that the Chiefs lack. Hemingway is a physical possession receiver but also a great special teams performer. If the Chiefs can find upgrades for Avery, Hemingway or Williams on the waiver wire, there could see some new additions. TE (3) 1. Anthony Fasano 2. Travis Kelce 3. Demetrius Harris Cut: Richard Gordon, Adam Schiltz Fasano can sit down in the zones and block very well while Kelce is a mismatch in the passing game with his speed. Harris will be given time to develop while providing a more athletic tight end at the third position. OL (8) 1. Donald Stephenson 2. Zach Fulton 3. Rodney Hudson 4. Jeff Allen 5. Eric Fisher 6. Eric Kush 7. Ryan Harris 8. Ricky Henry Cut: Rishaw Johnson, J'Marcus Webb, Jeff Linkenbach, Ryan McKee (PS), Otis Hudson, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (PS), Ben Gottschalk The line position is a concern. Stephenson and Fulton are the two best in terms of technique and have solid punches. Hudson and Allen have improved from last season. Fisher will answer a lot about his future after this season. Johnson can't handle a bull rush and doesn't seem to understand blocking angles. Webb struggled most of camp. Linkenbach struggled with his re-anchor and base at times. The depth on this roster is solid but could use upgrades. The waiver wire will be the Chiefs friend on the offensive line. DE (4) 1. Mike DeVito 2. Jaye Howard 3. Allen Bailey 4. Mike Catapano Howard has seized an opportunity for playing time with Mike DeVito's injury. Bailey is a solid rotational player. Catapano has missed a great deal of camp with his virus. It will be interesting how the team handles his situation. Walker or Hamilton could potentially take his spot. NT (2) Must Reads Nick Jacobs 53-man roster: 1.0 Nick Jacobs Joel Thorman 53-man roster: 1.0 Joel Thorman 1. Dontari Poe 2. Vance Walker Walker provides the team a rotational player at all three positions and allows Poe a chance to rest. The Chiefs could use additional depth off the waiver wire. OLB (5) 1. Justin Houston 2. Tamba Hali 3. Dee Ford 4. Josh Martin 5. Frank Zombo Cut: Devan Walker Houston showed up in camp in tremendous shape. The Georgia alumnus looks stronger. Ford needs work on building his pass rush moves. He has incredible quickness in his speed and first step, but speed rushing only works for so long. Tackles get use to the speed and can negate the best rushers. Ford will need time to learn multiple moves and how to set up a tackle. Martin had an impressive camp. He showed a solid set of pass rush skills. The Columbia alumnus will push his way on the field in obvious pass rushing situations. Martin also provides a nice shot on special teams. Zombo is solid depth and a good special teams player. ILB (4) 1. Derrick Johnson 2. Joe Mays 3. James Michael-Johnson 4. Josh Mauga Cut: Nico Johnson, Alonzo Highsmith Mays will be a force and a leader in this defense. JMJ is a solid special teams performer who looks better in coverage and has very good instincts against the run. Mauga is a good run stuffer at the inside position. He knows Bob Sutton's system and has solid assignment discipline against the run. Mauga also understands how to beat blocks. Nico Johnson just misses too many tackles. He looks lost at times in pass coverage. CB (6) 1. Marcus Cooper 2. Sean Smith 3. Chris Owens 4. Ron Parker 5. Phillip Gaines 6. DeMarcus Van Dyke Cut: Vernon Kearney, Kevin Rutland, Justin Rogers, Brandon Jones, Damond Smith Cooper will be the number one corner. Smith will likely push his way back to the second spot. Owens provides the team a speedy nickel corner with attitude. He gives the Chiefs what Brandon Flowers did last season but at a much cheaper rate. Parker has struggled in game situations. Gaines needs time to develop his skills set and adjust to the speed. Van Dyke will likely be the sixth corner or on practice squad. He shows promise that needs to be developed. The organization needs to look for upgrades on the waiver wire. FS (2) 1. Husain Abdullah 2. Malcolm Bronson IR: Sanders Commings Commings status hasn't been updated since his surgery. That is not a great sign for his availability. Bronson has pushed his way onto the roster. He doesn't look overmatched at the position. He also can play nicker corner and contribute on special teams. SS (2) 1. Eric Berry 2. Daniel Sorensen Cut: Jonathon Amaya, Jerron McMillian Sorensen has shown promise at the safety position. He finished strong in camp and will be a solid special teams contributor. Special Teams (3) 1. Cairo Santos 2. Dustin Colquitt 3. Thomas Gafford Santos has been consistent throughout camp. He has better range in his kickoffs and long range field goals. Santos has solid contact on the footballs and provides an upgrade at a cheaper rate. Practice Squad These 10 players are capable of making the roster but need time to develop. 1. RB Charcandrick West 2. WR Mark Harrison 3. OT Ryan McKee 4. OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif 5. NT Dominique Hamilton 6. CB Vernon Kearney 7. WR Darryl Surgent 8. LB Devan Walker 9. DE Jairus Campbell 10. FB Jordan Campbell
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John Dope Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Casino cash: $10009960	Nico Johnson is really good on special teams. Mauga is good but he isn't as good as Nico. Also, Nico knows Toub's system well. The truth is we probably will never need that 4th MLB to start anyway. I really doubt they go with Mauga over Nico Johnson.
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Jim Lahey The shit-winds are blowin Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sunnyvale trailer park Casino cash: $10013647	"Jeff Allen" and "improved" in the same sentence is enough to nullify the entire post. Joe McKnight has zero chance at making the 53. Nick had to have been drunk when he came up with this shit.
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