****Official Let's Break Down Sutton's Defense Thread****

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Not all of them.

In fact I would say the majority of them think "LOL, Alex Smith"

I love how you think a message board is a majority.

[tk13]

I've always thought coordinators make a difference. It's not a coincidence the only year the Chiefs were successful under Pioli was the year they had two legit coordinators who were good at their job.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by tk13

I've always thought coordinators make a difference. It's not a coincidence the only year the Chiefs were successful under ***** was the year they had two legit coordinators who were good at their job.

I think they make a huge difference when a team upgrades from Clancy Pendergast and Chan Gailey/Todd Haley to Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis.

I have no reason to think that Bob Newhart can't be a respectable defensive coordinator. I think it's also fair to say that Ray Horton is a young brilliant coaching mind in this league who probably deserved a shot as a head coach. A guy like that as your coordinator can sometimes radically transform a team. All that matters for us, though, is how he does compared to Bob Newhart

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by SNR

I think they make a huge difference when a team upgrades from Clancy Pendergast and Chan Gailey/Todd Haley to Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis.

I have no reason to think that Bob Newhart can't be a respectable defensive coordinator. I think it's also fair to say that Ray Horton is a young brilliant coaching mind in this league who probably deserved a shot as a head coach. A guy like that as your coordinator can sometimes radically transform a team. All that matters for us, though, is how he does compared to Bob Newhart

Ray Horton is a one and done coach. Gonna be a Head Coach in 2014.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Jets Def Ranking

2006 20
2007 18
2008 16

Jets sacks

2006 35
2007 29
2008 41

Jets D vs Run

2006 24
2007 29
2008 7


Jets D vs Pass

2006 14
2007 9
2008 29

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Jets Def Ranking

2006 20
2007 18
2008 16

Jets sacks

2006 35
2007 29
2008 41

Jets D vs Run

2006 24
2007 29
2008 7


Jets D vs Pass

2006 14
2007 9
2008 29

They ran Mangini's 2-gap defense. And it was clear that Mangini was calling the shots.

[Sorter]

Interesting.

[keg in kc]

I have an admittedly weird view on coordinators. I think a bad coordinator can have a markedly greater impact on a talented team than a good one can have on a bad one. As in I think it's easier to drag down talent then it is to coach it up. I do think good coordinators can make good teams great, and obviously bad coordinators can make already bad teams into the Chiefs of the last decade.

To me great defense (or offense, for that matter) is about 3 things, and they're all interconnected:

1) your personnel guys and coaches have to find talented players that fit what they want to do
2) your coaches have to convince those talented players to buy into the system and operate/excel as a unit
3) your coordinator has to be able to be able to call the right shit on gameday

The only time I've seen a unit, or a coordinator, here in KC succeed at all three of those phases was 2002-2004 under Al Saunders. They've pretty much flopped on both sides of the ball the rest of the time. And they've usually combined bad players who don't work well together with incompetent coordinators.

[RealSNR]

One of these days my Bob Newhart joke is going to be a huge hit. Just ya'll wait and see.

[The Bad Guy]

I tried to watch a lot of DeVito clips. He ****ing mauled Marshawn Lynch on one play.

We really needed a dominant run stopper. I know it was overpaying, but this team was ****ing terrible against the run.

[Sorter]

Any updates with this?

I haven't been able to but I do have some free time coming up over the next few weeks and can probably add to the OP. Will probably do a format similar to the Andy Reid article I posted. Might make it more in-depth but that might apply to Chargers, Donks, Raiders, Colts(Peyton) matchups.