Football Refs Bail Out Giants, Cite Obscure BS Rule - Page 3

Backwards Masking · 10-03-2011, 09:30 PM

Anyone else see this atrocity yesterday? I know I'm prone to being distrustful towards the refs, Goodell, and the NFL in general, but it's hard not to be when crap like this happens. I know, I know, "good teams find a way to overcome the bad calls". But I'm sorry, no way the refs bail out Cleveland or Minnesota or KC or Jax the way they did Litte Brother and the Big Apple like they did here.

I guess what I'm wondering most is if if anyone out there agrees with this call, why? and if you don't agree with it, am i a nut for suggesting the league caters to the Big Market Teams via obscure BS rule referferences like ive seen them do for years?

CoMoChief · 10-03-2011, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

No way in hell did he exercise an obvious give up situation. Hell, ive seen players fall similiarly, not get touched, get up and run it in for a TD. If he wanted to "give himself up" he would have slid. he DID NOT slide, therefore he wasn't down.

It's not the refs job to use "better judgement", "common sense" and help played "avoid contact". It's their job to REF THE F*CING GAME, which means enforcing the rules, not intrepreting them on a sitation to situation basis (that always seem to benefit NY and Pitt and the like, never Arizona or Tennesee).

You're completely wrong. I'm beginning to think u didn't even watch the play.

CoMoChief · 10-03-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

What we, as fans, should all be asking ourselves is: Did it read exactly like this in the Sept. rulebook or was it changed at 5-6 o clock whatever yesterday to protect the leagues best interest (East coast team and integrity).

Actually, what we as fans should ask for is a complete NFL rulebook every early Sept. to check ourselves when calls like this are made.

FWIW, anyone out there no if there is an online version of one (dated for 2011 but prior to this weekend of course)? Anyone who finds one and points this definition out would really help restore my faith in the refs. Thanks.

What u think this is all part of some kind of conspiracy?

lcarus · 10-03-2011, 11:18 PM

So Cruz technically could have gotten up there and taken off for a TD? Did the whistle blow? Maybe Cruz did decide that he had given up on the play and went down. But I'd bet if he knew he wasn't down by contact he would have tried to get more yardage, and as long as the play hadn't been whistled dead it would have been legal for him to do so. It's just a rule I've never seen before. Kinda like the tuck rule...

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-03-2011, 11:20 PM

The officials are very inconsistent with this rule.

Anyone remember that game 5-6 yrs ago, Denver vs Indy?

Marvin Harrison catches it, goes into a fetal position, Donkey DB's standing over him then he gets up and runs because he wasn't touched?

CoMoChief · 10-03-2011, 11:21 PM

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Receivers give themselves up all the time. I didn't think this was as big a deal as some are making it.

Its a big deal if u believe in conspiracy theories and don't know the rules of pro football...because you get a dumb and pointless thread as an end result.

CoMoChief · 10-03-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

So Cruz technically could have gotten up there and taken off for a TD? Did the whistle blow? Maybe Cruz did decide that he had given up on the play and went down. But I'd bet if he knew he wasn't down by contact he would have tried to get more yardage, and as long as the play hadn't been whistled dead it would have been legal for him to do so. It's just a rule I've never seen before. Kinda like the tuck rule...

He wouldn't have gotten far..he was surrounded by 3 defenders

CoMoChief · 10-03-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

The officials are very inconsistent with this rule.

Anyone remember that game 5-6 yrs ago, Denver vs Indy?

Marvin Harrison catches it, goes into a fetal position, Donkey DB's standing over him then he gets up and runs because he wasn't touched?

Yes....that was a bad call on the refs part...he should have been down....that's why u always taught to finish the play or listen for the whistle

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-03-2011, 11:27 PM

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=C67pGdr4v0g

I haven't figured out how to embed from my phone.

ClevelandBronco · 10-03-2011, 11:39 PM

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http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=C67pGdr4v0g

I haven't figured out how to embed from my phone.

Cool link. I got this: Autumn/fall inspired Make up look

**Dylan** · 10-03-2011, 11:39 PM

Cruz should have handed the ball to the ref. However, he did 'gave himself up.' If you watch the replay, Cruz turns his head and sees the DBs coming at him and goes down. His first move was to turn and hurry back in the huddle. He made no effort to advance.

The applicable rule in the 2011 NFL Rule Book is found on page 35.

Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 states that “An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (e): when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance.”

The Key "... making no effort to advance."

There was about two minutes of game time. The Cardinals best chance to win was to stop Eli. When I came back into the apt from the hallway. The Cardinals had no defense. Therefore, they lost the game.

Doesn't a player 'give himself up' by kneeling down without being touched?

Here's the difference with the Chargers at Patriots in 2010:

ASSOCIATED PRESS San Diego Chargers wide receiver Richard Goodman, right, drops the ball as New England Patriots safety Brandon Meriweather, center, and cornerback Devin McCourty, left, dive for it in the second half during an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 24, 2010, in San Diego. The play resulted in a turnover for the Chargers.

And to all a good night....

Backwards Masking · 10-04-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

You're completely wrong. I'm beginning to think u didn't even watch the play.

Dungy and his entire crew Sunday (who all agreed with me) must not have either. There needs to be a clear sign for "giving yourself up", anyone that wants rules consistnetly enforced can admit that.

Backwards Masking · 10-04-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Cruz should have handed the ball to the ref. However, he did 'gave himself up.' If you watch the replay, Cruz turns his head and sees the DBs coming at him and goes down. His first move was to turn and hurry back in the huddle. He made no effort to advance.

The applicable rule in the 2011 NFL Rule Book is found on page 35.

Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 states that “An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (e): when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance.”

The Key "... making no effort to advance."

There was about two minutes of game time. The Cardinals best chance to win was to stop Eli. When I came back into the apt from the hallway. The Cardinals had no defense. Therefore, they lost the game.

Doesn't a player 'give himself up' by kneeling down without being touched?

Here's the difference with the Chargers at Patriots in 2010:

ASSOCIATED PRESS San Diego Chargers wide receiver Richard Goodman, right, drops the ball as New England Patriots safety Brandon Meriweather, center, and cornerback Devin McCourty, left, dive for it in the second half during an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 24, 2010, in San Diego. The play resulted in a turnover for the Chargers.

And to all a good night....

Thank you

Backwards Masking · 10-04-2011, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Its a big deal if u believe in conspiracy theories and don't know the rules of pro football...because you get a dumb and pointless thread as an end result.

Judging by the consistenties of the call (see an above post above Marvin Harrison getting up and running or a TD in an identical situation) we apparetnly know them at least as well as the refs making 60k a year to enforce them.

if it's so dumb and pointless why are you here defending a call that gets reguarly fucked up?

i suppose you supported overturning the Polamolu pick against Indy in the playoffs 6 years ago after rolling on the ground twice and getting up and running before fumbling because he "did not make a move particularly common to the game of football" because, it's IN THE RULES. I suppose anyone that doubted the ref's sincerity in making that call should just look the other way because it's "dumb and pointless" and certainly wasn't indended to help Pey Pey. Right?

Demonpenz · 10-04-2011, 07:43 AM

I'm kinda digging just if you go down you are down.

Demonpenz · 10-04-2011, 07:43 AM

no being touched or whatever. like college

10-03-2011, 09:30 PM
Backwards Masking Bustle in your hedgerow? Join Date: May 2011 Location: NOT Missouri Casino cash: $10004900	Refs Bail Out Giants, Cite Obscure BS Rule Anyone else see this atrocity yesterday? I know I'm prone to being distrustful towards the refs, Goodell, and the NFL in general, but it's hard not to be when crap like this happens. I know, I know, "good teams find a way to overcome the bad calls". But I'm sorry, no way the refs bail out Cleveland or Minnesota or KC or Jax the way they did Litte Brother and the Big Apple like they did here. I guess what I'm wondering most is if if anyone out there agrees with this call, why? and if you don't agree with it, am i a nut for suggesting the league caters to the Big Market Teams via obscure BS rule referferences like ive seen them do for years?
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10-03-2011, 11:18 PM	#33
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $1349928	So Cruz technically could have gotten up there and taken off for a TD? Did the whistle blow? Maybe Cruz did decide that he had given up on the play and went down. But I'd bet if he knew he wasn't down by contact he would have tried to get more yardage, and as long as the play hadn't been whistled dead it would have been legal for him to do so. It's just a rule I've never seen before. Kinda like the tuck rule...
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10-03-2011, 11:20 PM	#34
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	The officials are very inconsistent with this rule. Anyone remember that game 5-6 yrs ago, Denver vs Indy? Marvin Harrison catches it, goes into a fetal position, Donkey DB's standing over him then he gets up and runs because he wasn't touched? __________________ 2015 Adopt-a-Chief: Tamba Hali
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10-03-2011, 11:27 PM	#38
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10-03-2011, 11:39 PM	#40
Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	Cruz should have handed the ball to the ref. However, he did 'gave himself up.' If you watch the replay, Cruz turns his head and sees the DBs coming at him and goes down. His first move was to turn and hurry back in the huddle. He made no effort to advance. The applicable rule in the 2011 NFL Rule Book is found on page 35. Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 states that “An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (e): when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance.” The Key "... making no effort to advance." There was about two minutes of game time. The Cardinals best chance to win was to stop Eli. When I came back into the apt from the hallway. The Cardinals had no defense. Therefore, they lost the game. Doesn't a player 'give himself up' by kneeling down without being touched? Here's the difference with the Chargers at Patriots in 2010: ASSOCIATED PRESS San Diego Chargers wide receiver Richard Goodman, right, drops the ball as New England Patriots safety Brandon Meriweather, center, and cornerback Devin McCourty, left, dive for it in the second half during an NFL football game Sunday, Oct. 24, 2010, in San Diego. The play resulted in a turnover for the Chargers. And to all a good night.... __________________
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10-04-2011, 07:43 AM	#44
Demonpenz Woman should only make babies Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $2692136	I'm kinda digging just if you go down you are down. __________________
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