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Old 12-31-2008, 10:57 AM  
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Mayo named Defensive rookie of the year
Idk why he won this...i think flowers could have won it.
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:21 PM   #31
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New England wanted Gholston, by the way...and we saw how good his rookie campaign turned out.
The Chiefs were high on Gholston also.
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:21 PM   #32
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:22 PM   #33
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for all of the bad that will be said about Herm & Co...at least they had one good draft...there is no doubt that Flowers, Albert, and Charles will be really good players and Dorsey still has elite potential and we have guys like Leggett, Carr, Cottam and Morgan who can definitely be players...the Chiefs are in much better shape, IMO, then when Herm took over the veteran garbage heap Vermeil left behind.
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:22 PM   #34
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What really gets me is...this offense would have been perfect for Chad Pennington...

Good offensive line, great running game, good receivers...and Chad isn't turnover prone.

This team wins 10 or 11 with Chad, that's for sure...Favre hurt that team far more than he helped them...but he's Brett Favre so he gets a pass.
This team? As in the Chiefs? You're smokin crack. The Dolphins D should get as much credit for their record as Chad.
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:23 PM   #35
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When you have 95% of your team already built you can, and should draft for need. BPA applies more to teams that are bereft of talent.
Nah...

You draft BPA no matter what according to the draft experts...and I agree.

I mean, obviously if you have Peyton Manning you don't draft Matt Stafford...but you don't reach for a LB that might have slipped to the 2nd round 9th overall.
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:24 PM   #36
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This team? As in the Chiefs? You're smokin crack. The Dolphins D should get as much credit for their record as Chad.
I was talking about the Jets in that post...it does look like I might have been talking about the Chiefs...no friggin' way...Chad doesn't make it through three weeks on the Chiefs.
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:33 PM   #37
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Nah...

You draft BPA no matter what according to the draft experts...and I agree.

I mean, obviously if you have Peyton Manning you don't draft Matt Stafford...but you don't reach for a LB that might have slipped to the 2nd round 9th overall.
I agree with that too, but if you think you're 1 or 2 players away from the SB, you try to get those players IMO. Kind of like drafting a RB high. I wouldn't do it unless it was the final piece of the puzzle.
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:34 PM   #38
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But Scott Pioli's draft record is overrated
Go back and look at NE's drafts, 2000-2007, ****stick. 15 hits in 70 picks. 21%.

That's like saying that Carl Peterson is forgiven of all his past draft ****ups because he drafted Albert and Flowers THIS year.
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Old 12-31-2008, 01:50 PM   #40
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Hopefully...Flowers was a top 10 or 15 pick in the midseason "re-draft"...said he would have been top 10 all along if he was 6'0" or 6'1"...
It wasn't the height that made him drop, it was the 4.6 he ran.
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When you have 95% of your team already built you can, and should draft for need. BPA applies more to teams that are bereft of talent.
I wonder how the Dallas Cowboys of 1979 feel, when they eschewed their BPA strategy to pass on Montana at the end of the second round because they had Danny White in place.

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It wasn't the height that made him drop, it was the 4.6 he ran.
Ah...I thought I read something about his height. Must have gotten mixed up...
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He may have been there, but they may not have been able to trade back that far. He was the guy they wanted, and they got him, and there's no guarantee he would have been there had they moved back too far.
They got their man, and extra picks. That is a successful trade. Not only that, but the guy turned out to be the most productive player drafted.
If you can't view that as a success....well..
no shit...it was textbook perfect maneuvering

and i love the idea that any LB would have done as well and won DROTY...that must explain why DJ won it also....wait,.....
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Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers finished tied for fourth with BUF Leodis McKelvin and SD Antoine Cason, with 2 interceptions. TB Aqib Talib finished first with 4 interceptions for a rookie. WSH Chris Horton and ARZ Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie finished tied for second with 3 interceptions each. Maurice Leggett tied with 19 others with 1 interception for a rookie.

Brandon Carr finished fifth for tackles with 73 and Brandon Flowers finished sixth in rookie tackles with 69. Glenn Dorsey finished eleventh in tackles with 46. Maurice Leggett finished 16th in tackles with 37.

Jamal Charles finished tenth in yardage (358) for rookie rushers and second in yards per carry with a 5.3 average.

Some rookie bargains from where they were picked to what they produced…
Houston RB Steve Slayton 3rd round, 1,282 yards, 9 TDs rushing, 377 yards receiving, with 1 TD.
Chicago RB Matt Forte 2nd round, 1,238 yards, 8 TDs rushing, 477 yards, 4 TDs receiving.
Washington S Chris Horton 7th round, 76 tackles, 3 interceptions, 5 PDs and 1 sack.

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Player................Team...........(draft status)...TOT
Jerod Mayo.........New England........(1)...........128
Curtis Lofton.......Atlanta...............(2).............94
Chris Horton........Washington.........(7).............76
Antoine Cason.....San Diego...........(1).............74
Brandon Carr.......Kansas City.........(5).............73
Branden Flowers..Kansas City..........(2).............69
Kenny Phillips......NY Giants.............(1).............67
Dwight Lowery....NY Jets................(4).............64
Charles Godfrey...Carolina...............(3).............61
Wesley Woodyard.Denver...............(U).............53
Glenn Dorsey.......Kansas City.........(1).............46
Terrell Thomas.....NY Giants............(2)............45
Rodgers-Cromartie.Arizona..............(1)............42
Chris Long...........St. Louis.............(1)............39
Keith Rivers.........Cincinnati............(1)............37
Maurice Leggett...Kansas City.........(U).............37
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