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Old 05-05-2013, 09:47 AM   #1
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And Johnny Manziel is the only freshman to ever win the Heisman.
Winning the Heisman is the last thing anyone should look at to gauge the future success of a college QB. Here's a list of Heisman winning QBs since 1990:

Ty Detmer, Gino Torretta, Charlie Ward, Danny Wuerffell, Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Carson Palmer, Jason White, Matt Leinert, Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, RGIII, and Johnny Manziel.

That's a huge collection of suckage, with only RGIII looking like a sure elite QB.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:49 AM   #2
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Winning the Heisman is the last thing anyone should look at to gauge the future success of a college QB. Here's a list of Heisman winning QBs since 1990:

Ty Detmer, Gino Torretta, Charlie Ward, Danny Wuerffell, Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Carson Palmer, Jason White, Matt Leinert, Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, RGIII, and Johnny Manziel.

That's a huge collection of suckage, with only RGIII looking like a sure elite QB.
This is the post I was going to make. Hell, the verdict is still out on whether RGIII can stay healthy or not. But yeah, the rest are horrible.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:50 AM   #3
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Winning the Heisman is the last thing anyone should look at to gauge the future success of a college QB. Here's a list of Heisman winning QBs since 1990:

Ty Detmer, Gino Torretta, Charlie Ward, Danny Wuerffell, Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Carson Palmer, Jason White, Matt Leinert, Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, RGIII, and Johnny Manziel.

That's a huge collection of suckage, with only RGIII looking like a sure elite QB.
Cam Newton had a sophomore slump and will be back really good next year, Carson had a solid career but didn't win anything, I completely agree with you... You cannot judge Heisman winning QB's to NFL. Considering Manziel is brain-dead off the field.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:04 AM   #4
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Cam Newton had a sophomore slump and will be back really good next year,
Nah, I think Cam is what he is and he is his own worst enemy because he like Geno thinks he has arrived and will continue to be very inconsistent due to his lack of work ethic in the film and academic part of the game that Brady,Manning,Brees,RGIII, etc...... all have. Geno will be the uglier version of Cam in the future. Count on it !
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:33 AM   #5
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Winning the Heisman is the last thing anyone should look at to gauge the future success of a college QB. Here's a list of Heisman winning QBs since 1990:

Ty Detmer, Gino Torretta, Charlie Ward, Danny Wuerffell, Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Carson Palmer, Jason White, Matt Leinert, Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, RGIII, and Johnny Manziel.

That's a huge collection of suckage, with only RGIII looking like a sure elite QB.
This would be a great post if we were talking about AJ McCarron winning the Heisman. Miami, Florida State, OU, USC, tOSU, Florida are all traditional powers. QB is an important position. Combine the two and you get a lot of Heisman bias for underwhelming talents. The exceptions are Detmer, Newton, and RGIII. A&M is A&M... Not any of those schools listed.
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Old 05-05-2013, 12:23 PM   #6
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This would be a great post if we were talking about AJ McCarron winning the Heisman. Miami, Florida State, OU, USC, tOSU, Florida are all traditional powers. QB is an important position. Combine the two and you get a lot of Heisman bias for underwhelming talents. The exceptions are Detmer, Newton, and RGIII. A&M is A&M... Not any of those schools listed.
It's a great post regardless. A&M plays in the SEC and with the exposure that conference gets, any QB from that conference who is putting up impressive stats and their team is winning is going to get Heisman bias. Comparing A&M to Baylor and BYU is epically stupid and Newton is a horrible comparison.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:25 AM   #8
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The Tebow talk doesn't make sense to me. Tebow has a stronger arm, but Manziel is a more accurate, instinctive passer. His best attribute is his ability to throw downfield with accuracy on the run. His work against Alabama is ****ing impressive.

I think he's going to be a turnover machine in the NFL, though. He'll have to mature as a passer.
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Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel don't even compare ! I hate it when people try to even bring Tebow into the equation. Tebow sucks.
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Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel don't even compare ! I hate it when people try to even bring Tebow into the equation. Tebow sucks.
But Tim Tebow was good in College... Wasn't he..? Hmmmmm.... NFL and NCAA are two differet universes bro. Manziel is a college qb, nothing more... Just like Pat White, Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Chris Leak, and that kid from Oregon.
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Manziel is a bundle of sticks. Too short, too weak, too much of a bitch... Bust.
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Old 05-05-2013, 04:17 PM   #12
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If there's any QB that I want next year, it would be Teddy Bridgewater. **** Manziel. Bridgewater is the real deal. An absolute franchise quarterback in the making. Great arm, prototypical size, tremendous leadership, good mobility, he brings the whole package with him. That is the guy to hope for, a tremendous top of the line QB prospect who has everything.


Looking at QB's next year, I have them ranked as follows:



1. Teddy Bridgewater





2. David Fales
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If there's any QB that I want next year, it would be Teddy Bridgewater. **** Manziel. Bridgewater is the real deal. An absolute franchise quarterback in the making. Great arm, prototypical size, tremendous leadership, good mobility, he brings the whole package with him. That is the guy to hope for, a tremendous top of the line QB prospect who has everything.


Looking at QB's next year, I have them ranked as follows:



1. Teddy Bridgewater





2. David Fales
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