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Old 02-27-2016, 04:40 PM  
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Slimmed-down #Chiefs safety Eric Berry starred in 2015, setting up next payday: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy …


So, kind of puts to rest the box safety only talk and whether he's worth it, if you follow Louis Riddick.
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Old 02-27-2016, 07:26 PM   #31
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What was the front 7 like he played behind until this year?

There was a reason he was having to come up in the box and make alot of tackles, just as it's no coincidence the year our front 7 has it's best year the secondaries tackles go down.
You're acting as though the front 7 for Seattle has been lights out for Thomas' entire career and shit for Berry. It's been pretty good for Berry too. DJ, Houston, Hali, Poe, Allen are pretty good football players. Belcher was a good compliment to DJ until he lost his mind. Jackson and Dorsey were solid, not all world, but different scheme. Our pass rushers are primarily Houston and Hali. Berry's had good stuff happening in front of him. Sean Smith has been here a few years and Flowers was here prior to that. I'm not going to make up this pretend world for Eric Berry that he had no supporting cast.

Berry is a really good safety, no doubt. Never said he wasn't. Is he worth 12 million per? I don't agree with that. I don't agree with a dime over 10 million as that would put him on par with Thomas. I've said that.

Hell, you have really, really solid SSs like Reshad Jones making 7 million per. You've had good safeties here as 3rd and 4th guys that haven't let this team miss a beat defensively when Berry was out. I don't think you need to pay that kind of money to get 60 tackles and 2-3 Ints.
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We still haven't seen the best of Berry. There's no way he peaked last year coming off of chemo/new role and all. You have to assume the next 3-4 years will easily be the best of his career as long as he stays healthy. I think the big plays will come. We saw some flashes of it this year.
I am not sure that we can expect ore from Berry.

There's this myth that Sutton runs this phjysical man scheme.

He doesn't.

We give a lot of cushion, which allows the receivers to get free releases and QBs to get the ball out quickly on shorter routes, which doesn't play well to giving a single high safety opportunities to make plays.
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Old 02-27-2016, 07:30 PM   #33
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Did i miss this in the article, but where did the 12 million dollar figure come from?
I was going off of BigChiefs opening post. I think the article mentions 4 years, 40 million or an 11 million tag, which is probably inaccurate. The tag should be around 9.1 million for a safety.
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You're acting as though the front 7 for Seattle has been lights out for Thomas' entire career and shit for Berry. It's been pretty good for Berry too. DJ, Houston, Hali, Poe, Allen are pretty good football players. Belcher was a good compliment to DJ until he lost his mind. Jackson and Dorsey were solid, not all world, but different scheme. Our pass rushers are primarily Houston and Hali. Berry's had good stuff happening in front of him. Sean Smith has been here a few years and Flowers was here prior to that. I'm not going to make up this pretend world for Eric Berry that he had no supporting cast.

Berry is a really good safety, no doubt. Never said he wasn't. Is he worth 12 million per? I don't agree with that. I don't agree with a dime over 10 million as that would put him on par with Thomas. I've said that.

Hell, you have really, really solid SSs like Reshad Jones making 7 million per. You've had good safeties here as 3rd and 4th guys that haven't let this team miss a beat defensively when Berry was out. I don't think you need to pay that kind of money to get 60 tackles and 2-3 Ints.
You're pretty severely overrating the front 7 here prior to this past season, maybe last year. It hasn't been good. Yes, it's had some good players in it, but as a whole, it wasn't overly physical or great against the run, prior to this season.

Again, Berry is no longer a strong safety and tackles aren't going to be a gauge I want to look thru at a safety. If my safety is making alot of tackles, whats that say about my front 7?

To act as if the difference between Seattle's defensive front and the CHiefs, prior to this year, wasn't significant is a pretty large stretch.

It's also not a fluke that the year berry moves to a predominately free safety role and plays his best football, the defensive takes the next step forward. That isn't solely because of Berry, as others are developing nicely.

But it played a pretty large part I'd imagine, along with him being the defensive captain of the secondary.

By keeping Parker and Berry at safety, you've got two extremely versatile guys, which as Sorter has so eloquently pointed out, is key in Suttons Ryan scheme.
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I am not sure that we can expect ore from Berry.

There's this myth that Sutton runs this phjysical man scheme.

He doesn't.

We give a lot of cushion, which allows the receivers to get free releases and QBs to get the ball out quickly on shorter routes, which doesn't play well to giving a single high safety opportunities to make plays.
When we have our horses healthy, thats what they wanna run.
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You're acting as though the front 7 for Seattle has been lights out for Thomas' entire career and shit for Berry. It's been pretty good for Berry too. DJ, Houston, Hali, Poe, Allen are pretty good football players. Belcher was a good compliment to DJ until he lost his mind. Jackson and Dorsey were solid, not all world, but different scheme. Our pass rushers are primarily Houston and Hali. Berry's had good stuff happening in front of him. Sean Smith has been here a few years and Flowers was here prior to that. I'm not going to make up this pretend world for Eric Berry that he had no supporting cast.

Berry is a really good safety, no doubt. Never said he wasn't. Is he worth 12 million per? I don't agree with that. I don't agree with a dime over 10 million as that would put him on par with Thomas. I've said that.

Hell, you have really, really solid SSs like Reshad Jones making 7 million per. You've had good safeties here as 3rd and 4th guys that haven't let this team miss a beat defensively when Berry was out. I don't think you need to pay that kind of money to get 60 tackles and 2-3 Ints.
Thomas' success has as much to do with Gus Bradley as it does from the front 7.
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Thomas' success has as much to do with Gus Bradley as it does from the front 7.
Absolutely. Monte Kiffen's true heir. Bradley is a hell of a D-Coordinator and might end up being a good HC if JAX sticks with him a while longer yet. He certainly is growing that team in his vision.

Entirely different scheme though, almost entirely zone based.
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You're acting as though the front 7 for Seattle has been lights out for Thomas' entire career and shit for Berry. It's been pretty good for Berry too. DJ, Houston, Hali, Poe, Allen are pretty good football players. Belcher was a good compliment to DJ until he lost his mind. Jackson and Dorsey were solid, not all world, but different scheme. Our pass rushers are primarily Houston and Hali. Berry's had good stuff happening in front of him. Sean Smith has been here a few years and Flowers was here prior to that. I'm not going to make up this pretend world for Eric Berry that he had no supporting cast.

Berry is a really good safety, no doubt. Never said he wasn't. Is he worth 12 million per? I don't agree with that. I don't agree with a dime over 10 million as that would put him on par with Thomas. I've said that.

Hell, you have really, really solid SSs like Reshad Jones making 7 million per. You've had good safeties here as 3rd and 4th guys that haven't let this team miss a beat defensively when Berry was out. I don't think you need to pay that kind of money to get 60 tackles and 2-3 Ints.
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I am not sure that we can expect ore from Berry.

There's this myth that Sutton runs this phjysical man scheme.

He doesn't.

We give a lot of cushion, which allows the receivers to get free releases and QBs to get the ball out quickly on shorter routes, which doesn't play well to giving a single high safety opportunities to make plays.
It's almost like Bob Sutton calls a mixture of zone, man and concepts combining the two based on down, distance, personnel, and team.
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Our inside linebackers as a unit are god awful. Poe and Howard have saved us from being bottom of the barrel in run defense
Wow.

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It's almost like Bob Sutton calls a mixture of zone, man and concepts combining the two based on down, distance, personnel, and team.
I know what Sutton's doing, but he's doing it poorly.

3rd and 4 isn't the proper down and distance for 7 yard cushions.
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The secondary wasn't worse without him? How do you figure that?

Again, Berry is still an ascending player at a new position, one in which everyone here has wanted the chiefs to put in him which will and does allow him to be more of a game changing player.

I don't understand the fascination around here to get rid of/not resign the best drafted and developed players. It was the same thing with Houston.

Without Berry in 14 our defense was basically the same.

I would much rather have an elite corner opposite of Peters.
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