Chiefs Well, this doesn't make much sense. - Page 3

Direckshun · 04-26-2013, 08:42 AM

Staying at 1.1 and drafting a tackle makes sense if we traded Albert.

Trading down from 1.1 and drafting BPA on value makes sense if we still have Albert.

Trading Albert away for a 2nd rounder makes sense if we had to give up our second this year for Alex Smith.

Trading a 2nd for Alex Smith makes sense if we didn't think we could land any good QBs with our 2nd rounder.

But none of these are the case. We still have Albert, we stayed at 1.1, we took a tackle, Geno Smith and Matt Barkley are still on the board, and we don't have a single second round pick.

Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed.

There are several strategies that would have made sense here, but the Chiefs have seemed to have skillfully navigated around all of them.

I... just don't get it.

Codered · 04-26-2013, 09:05 AM

I think while the thought of Fisher can just move to RT sounds good on paper. I just can't see the Chiefs or any team for that matter spending a 1.1 on a RT. They must be confident they can trade Albert for value.

Amnorix · 04-26-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Chiefs have zero urgency to move Albert. Fischer stated weeks ago he'd gladly play RT. Add that Dorsey played Bulgaria at RT as a 1st round rookie and it's a non issue.

Albert's stock went up b/c so many tackles went off the board early and many teams still have a need. Albert was the best LT available yesterday, now, he's head and shoulders best available.

Any team left would spend the same on Albert as they a would an unproven, low ceiling rookie.

No brainer. More than just Miami should be in talks now.

I won't argue with you. if they have positional flexibility and more than just the 'phins have a need for a top 10 or so LT, then you're right that leverage may be with the Chiefs.

WhawhaWhat · 04-26-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Trading a 2nd for Alex Smith makes sense if we didn't think we could land any good QBs with our 2nd rounder.

But none of these are the case. We still have Albert, we stayed at 1.1, we took a tackle, Geno Smith and Matt Barkley are still on the board, and we don't have a single second round pick.

If only Pioli hadn't hidden the keys to the DeLorean before he left... man what a dick.

**The Franchise** · 04-26-2013, 09:07 AM

I wonder if they use our 3rd and a later pick to trade up into the middle of the 2nd for a pplayer that fell.

WV · 04-26-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I wonder if they use our 3rd and a later pick to trade up into the middle of the 2nd for a pplayer that fell.

That's not supposed to be Dorsey's MO, but then again neither was giving up 2 picks for Average Smith.

**Rain Man** · 04-26-2013, 09:11 AM

Unless Schwartz is the right tackle, we need one, and there have been several cases of rookies starting at right tackle and then moving to left. Put Albert at left tackle and Fisher at right tackle and let them take turns hoisting Charles in end zone celebrations.

**The Franchise** · 04-26-2013, 09:12 AM

Well as of right now....I would assume it's going to look like:

Albert - Schwartz - Hudson - Asamoah - Fisher

philfree · 04-26-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception

49ers used the same strategy. At the time they selected Kaepernick, nobody thought Alex Smith was even as good as Cassel.

Out of the QBs available who's ready to start? Barkley? Almost all the talking heads say Geno's not ready to start so who's the pick in that situation? And then of course we're using hindsight but if teams thought we were targeting a QB with our 2nd pick they might have traded up to steal him. Or not

Rasputin · 04-26-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by noa

Andy Reid truly views Alex Smith as his 2nd round pick well spent.
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That is what I understood in his press last night. We wont bother picking another QB any time soon in the draft.

Off to medeocreland for the next few years, we wont have the same shot to take the best QB of the draft for anther few years.

John Dorsey feels Alex Smith is a second round quarteback to be our QBotf.

In58men · 04-26-2013, 09:14 AM

Andy Reid "thought" he had a great idea. Takin Alex Smith and going all in for him is a bad idea itself. Assuming you'll jump back into the 2nd because you have Brandon Albert as trade bait is another bad idea. Never assume you'll get what you want, Reid thought otherwise.

So far Reid has failed us, Sean Smith is in no way spectacular and Miami is thrilled he's gone. Read their reactions. This offseason has been way overrated.

Amnorix · 04-26-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Unless Schwartz is the right tackle, we need one, and there have been several cases of rookies starting at right tackle and then moving to left. Put Albert at left tackle and Fisher at right tackle and let them take turns hoisting Charles in end zone celebrations.

There's alot to be said for that, however Reid historically has been very run-adverse. I really like Andy Reid ALOT. I think he's very classy, very smart, runs a really well-run operationg, etc., but my one big concern with him is his run/pass ratio.

Of course, given Charles' build, I'm not sure that he wouldn't be smart to reduce the workload on him anyway.

Marcellus · 04-26-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Out of the QBs available who's ready to start? Barkley? Almost all the talking heads say Geno's not ready to start so who's the pick in that situation? And then of course we're using hindsight but if teams thought we were targeting a QB with our 2nd pick they might have traded up to steal him. Or not

Meanwhile if we dont get Alex Smith to start, JC, Hali, DJ, etc...all get another year or 2 older why we are still developing a QB from this crappy draft class.

Simplicity · 04-26-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

They don't have to move Albert.

The guy doesn't want to be here.

keg in kc · 04-26-2013, 09:15 AM

They're not giving me very much hope at this point. They got fleeced for Alex Smith, and now the way the draft is playing out is making it look like an even worse trade. I'm not sure what, if anything, they can do today to recover. There's going to be a lot of good players drafted in what's supposed to be Dorsey's wheelhouse (late first to 3rd round) and we'll be sitting there twiddling our thumbs.

Mr. Laz · 04-26-2013, 09:15 AM

it's not really that confusing

They selected the player they thought was best
They will trade Albert IF and only IF they get an offer they like
Keeping Albert and having Fisher will make Alex Smith look better ... making their trade look better

People might not like it, but it's not confusing.

04-26-2013, 08:42 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4113447	Well, this doesn't make much sense. Staying at 1.1 and drafting a tackle makes sense if we traded Albert. Trading down from 1.1 and drafting BPA on value makes sense if we still have Albert. Trading Albert away for a 2nd rounder makes sense if we had to give up our second this year for Alex Smith. Trading a 2nd for Alex Smith makes sense if we didn't think we could land any good QBs with our 2nd rounder. But none of these are the case. We still have Albert, we stayed at 1.1, we took a tackle, Geno Smith and Matt Barkley are still on the board, and we don't have a single second round pick. Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed. There are several strategies that would have made sense here, but the Chiefs have seemed to have skillfully navigated around all of them. I... just don't get it.
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04-26-2013, 09:05 AM	#31
Codered Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Casino cash: $8888190	I think while the thought of Fisher can just move to RT sounds good on paper. I just can't see the Chiefs or any team for that matter spending a 1.1 on a RT. They must be confident they can trade Albert for value.
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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2615047	I wonder if they use our 3rd and a later pick to trade up into the middle of the 2nd for a pplayer that fell.
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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2808491 VARSITY	Unless Schwartz is the right tackle, we need one, and there have been several cases of rookies starting at right tackle and then moving to left. Put Albert at left tackle and Fisher at right tackle and let them take turns hoisting Charles in end zone celebrations. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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04-26-2013, 09:12 AM	#37
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2615047	Well as of right now....I would assume it's going to look like: Albert - Schwartz - Hudson - Asamoah - Fisher
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04-26-2013, 09:14 AM	#40
In58men Baba Ganoush Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $1788026	Andy Reid "thought" he had a great idea. Takin Alex Smith and going all in for him is a bad idea itself. Assuming you'll jump back into the 2nd because you have Brandon Albert as trade bait is another bad idea. Never assume you'll get what you want, Reid thought otherwise. So far Reid has failed us, Sean Smith is in no way spectacular and Miami is thrilled he's gone. Read their reactions. This offseason has been way overrated.
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04-26-2013, 09:15 AM	#44
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	They're not giving me very much hope at this point. They got fleeced for Alex Smith, and now the way the draft is playing out is making it look like an even worse trade. I'm not sure what, if anything, they can do today to recover. There's going to be a lot of good players drafted in what's supposed to be Dorsey's wheelhouse (late first to 3rd round) and we'll be sitting there twiddling our thumbs.
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04-26-2013, 09:15 AM	#45
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	it's not really that confusing They selected the player they thought was best They will trade Albert IF and only IF they get an offer they like Keeping Albert and having Fisher will make Alex Smith look better ... making their trade look better People might not like it, but it's not confusing. __________________
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