Chiefs Chiefs need a chain-mover, punisher, clock eater....this is him... - Page 3

**SAGA45** · 08:47 PM

I really....REALLY like this kid. If anybody knows me from the old days at Wild Bills Chiefs...or Chief Concerns on facebook...when I get a gut feelin about a prospect, they tend to turn out to be pretty good.

Check this next vid out....the 2:57 mark is gorgeous. I think that safety died for few seconds

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New highlight vid uploaded today 1/26/2017

against a good Florida defense with some top prospects (1/26/2017)

This one features Smith more on blitz pickup where he does a great job (1/26/2017)

DJ's left nut · 01-18-2017, 03:23 PM

Perhaps its just a product of the games I watched, but in Rawls I see a guy that has no problem initiating contact but also a guy that's capable of breaking one. And Rawls is actually a great example of the 'suddenness' to the hole I'm talking about. From handoff to the line seems to be in the blink of an eye. Rawls isn't a burner, but by the time he gets to the point of attack, he's nearly at full speed. Smith looks like a guy that's still accelerating in that "Ron Dayne sucking horribly" sort of way.

Ultimately I think we have room for 3 full-time RBs on the roster - X, Ware, West (as Hill will get carries as well). I would far prefer that the X be someone like Kamara, though I admittedly may have a bit of a hard-on for Kamara.

I'm less concerned with draft capital than I am roster space. Even if Smith came as a UDFA, I just don't see a place to put him. If Kamara fell to the 2nd round, I'd much prefer use the higher pick on the far more valuable asset because it's just a better use of the roster spot.

**SAGA45** · 01-18-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Perhaps its just a product of the games I watched, but in Rawls I see a guy that has no problem initiating contact but also a guy that's capable of breaking one. And Rawls is actually a great example of the 'suddenness' to the hole I'm talking about. From handoff to the line seems to be in the blink of an eye. Rawls isn't a burner, but by the time he gets to the point of attack, he's nearly at full speed. Smith looks like a guy that's still accelerating in that "Ron Dayne sucking horribly" sort of way.

Ultimately I think we have room for 3 full-time RBs on the roster - X, Ware, West (as Hill will get carries as well). I would far prefer that the X be someone like Kamara, though I admittedly may have a bit of a hard-on for Kamara.

I'm less concerned with draft capital than I am roster space. Even if Smith came as a UDFA, I just don't see a place to put him. If Kamara fell to the 2nd round, I'd much prefer use the higher pick on the far more valuable asset because it's just a better use of the roster spot.

Some great points all around. I still disagree with acceleration argument on Smith. If anything, he's breaking a lot of tackles...that's going to cyphon some burst. He looks explosive through the hole and into the second level otherwise. The Ron Dayne comparison seems extreme lol

I do, however, agree with you on the roster spot being used for a more versatile prospect. That's a fantastic point. I like Kamara in that regard as well.

Do me a favor though....checkout Jamaal Williams of BYU (Reid's Alma Mater). If you want a Jamaal Charles type back HE is IT. Downside? Major durability concerns. Were it not for that, I'd argue he's a top-5 ..top-3 back in this class. I'd roll dice on him late day 2, early day-3 but he very well could go earlier to an enamored team.

**gblowfish** · 01-18-2017, 04:05 PM

Knile Davis???

**Iowanian** · 01-18-2017, 04:21 PM

Jesse Haynes.

**Iowanian** · 01-18-2017, 04:21 PM

Donnell Bennet.

Three7s · 01-18-2017, 05:56 PM

I agree with DJ. I see zero explosiveness. Think Larry Johnson post-2006.

**SAGA45** · 01-18-2017, 06:51 PM

LINK - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...es-mayocks-eye

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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- De'Veon Smith became known for power more than speed and agility during his career at Michigan, but the former Wolverines running back has more to offer NFL clubs than broken tackles, and Smith showed it Monday as East-West Shrine Game practices began.

Smith and other Shrine Game players are looking to impress a gathering of NFL scouts this week in their first formal chance to enhance their draft status since the football season ended. The East-West Shrine Game will be played Saturday at Tropicana Field at 3 p.m. ET, and broadcast exclusively on NFL Network.

"I thought De'Veon Smith had a good first day. I was impressed with him that, in the passing game at 228 pounds, how quick-footed he was," said NFL Network draft expert Mike Mayock. "He did a nice job against some linebackers in one-on-one drills. When they're in shorts and it's one-on-one pass drills, the running back should win on a linebacker. But you try to look at the skill set, the traits, and what I saw was quick feet and change of direction. And he has that at 228 pounds. He's got quick feet and showed soft hands."

keg in kc · 01-18-2017, 07:07 PM

This is dumb on so many levels I'm not even sure where to start. Going full Martyocre and adopting the early 00's iggles rbbc? Trying to find Buckhalter or Stayley (when we already have them in Ware and West...) instead of looking for Westbrook? Thinking that moving the chains is about the running back and not the line and the play calling?

I like Smith - hell, I'm a Michigan fan... - but not here.

We need playmakers, not more jags, particularly at RB. The guys we want from the Wolverines will be coming out in a year or two.

**RealSNR** · 01-18-2017, 07:31 PM

Question: What exactly was supposed to be Mike Cloud's game?

He's the only dude I know who couldn't run behind that all-world offensive line worth a shit. He wasn't exactly slow... but he wasn't exactly fast. He wasn't all that powerful, but he also wasn't a weakling either. Average RB size... decent hands I guess... terrible vision...

God, why did Vermeil stick with him as long as he did? He could have easily found some co-worker of Kurt Warner's at the grocery store to plug in and play.

**SAUTO** · 01-18-2017, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

honestly, it might be a nice change of pace to have plenty of draft and prospect discussion on the main page...leave the madden champions to the draft forum, so that the main page has more to discuss than b holes.

I was being sarcastic.

Someone flipped out last year over start threads in the lounge and deleted all their posts in the draft forum.

I was making fun of them

**mdchiefsfan** · 01-18-2017, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Reminds me of Shaun Draughn.

This is not a compliment.

Power backs can be effective if they're quick enough to the hole to keep guys from coming down the line and taking their legs out from under them. I'm not sure I see that initial speed to the whole that I'd want to see. He just seems to take a looooooong time to get moving.

And the team has a RB in Ware that's close to a chain mover than they do a true explosive threat. If you keep Ware, his complement needs to be the faster, more explosive nature and a true receiving threat out of the backfield. Smith would make Ware redundant.

Bell's revolution has begun!!

kccrow · 01-19-2017, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I was being sarcastic.

Someone flipped out last year over start threads in the lounge and deleted all their posts in the draft forum.

I was making fun of them

That was me. This year I don't give a ****. Have at it. My Chiefs and all things related to said entity give a **** meter has bottomed out.

KChiefs1 · 01-19-2017, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ultimately I think we have room for 3 full-time RBs on the roster - X, Ware, West (as Hill will get carries as well). I would far prefer that the X be someone like Kamara, though I admittedly may have a bit of a hard-on for Kamara.

If Kamara fell to the 2nd round, I'd much prefer use the higher pick on the far more valuable asset because it's just a better use of the roster spot.

Agree on all counts.

I'd love to see Kamara in a Chiefs uni next season.

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Pasta Little Brioni · 01-19-2017, 11:11 AM

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**SAGA45** · 01-19-2017, 04:45 PM

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Holy BossChiefesque humble brag in the OP Batman

..I know that reads bad. But it's just a weird thing with me. I just get a hunch ...somethin I can't pinpoint...and most of the time I'm right on these guys.

Got into an impassioned debate with my editor when I wanted to do an article on West when he was a UDFA. He was buried on the deph chart....not a lock to make it into camp (had a logjam at HB at the time...Charles , Gray, Davis, Draughn, DAT, etc ). But I saw some of highlights and was wow'd. Jury might still be out on West but he had an awesome '15-'16 season.

I tend to be drawn to the day-3, small school prospects. I kinda root for em a bit and hope they latch on to a 53 or practice squad.

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