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**FRCDFED** · 02-19-2013, 09:05 AM

Mayock sees four options for Chiefs at No. 1

Posted by Mike Florio on February 19, 2013, 9:02 AM EST

APOn Monday, preeminent draft guru Mike Mayock participated in a pre-Combine conference call that lasted more than 2.5 hours. Tirelessly answering question after question, Mayock demonstrated once again a computerized recall of names and teams and needs.

With plenty of interest focused on what will happen at the top of the draft, Mayock eventually was asked to identify the players he believes to be worthy of the first overall pick, held by the Chiefs.

Mayock said there are four: Alabama guard Chance Warmack; North Carolina guard Jonathan Cooper; Texas A&M tackle Luke Joeckel; and Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher.

Warmack is Mayock’s preference. “People will tell me I’m crazy, that a guard can’t go No. 1,” Mayock explained. “I think he’s the best player in the draft, so I would argue that.”

The list doesn’t create the kind of sizzle to which we’ve become accustomed at the top of the draft. And for good reason. There are no quarterbacks regarded as worthy of being the first overall pick this year.

Mayock realizes that the Chiefs’ needs could be influenced by their decision regarding tackle Branden Albert (who could actually move to guard if a guy like Joeckel is drafted with the first pick). Still, Chiefs coach Andy Reid learned the hard way in 2012 the importance of having a high-end offensive live. With a cluster of high-quality blockers at the top of the draft and a rookie wage scale to keep the total cost far less than what it would be to sign Albert to a long-term deal, the Chiefs could opt for the lineman whom they decide they like the most.

And then they’d hope that the rest of the teams agree with G.M. John Dorsey’s assessment that none of the quarterbacks merit a first-round selection. Which would push all of the quarterbacks to the Chiefs at the top of round two.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-19-2013, 10:03 AM

The smart move and I predict this will happen is for the Chiefs to trade back to the 5-10 area to pick up Warmack ,in return we pick up a 1st in next years draft and a 2nd this year and go after Johnny football in next years draft.

**Easy 6** · 02-19-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And that right there is the problem.

There aren't really any guys in this draft, at any position, that fit that description.

There's no sure-fire, gonna-be-an-All Pro in this draft at any position.

Totalll agreed, a very underwhelming draft from top to bottom.

So lets take the best QB and be done with it, might as well swing for the position with the greatest potential reward when there isnt a blue chipper anywhere else.

ct · 02-19-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Leonard Davis went #2 overall in 2001. Turley #7 overall '98.

Since Davis, I don't think there's even been a guard taken in the top 20.

...except for Branden Albert

Believe both those guys were at least drafted as Tackles. Were they Guards in college as Albert was, drafted as, then moved to Tackle?

ct · 02-19-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Totalll agreed, a very underwhelming draft from top to bottom.

So lets take the best QB and be done with it, might as well swing for the position with the greatest potential reward when there isnt a blue chipper anywhere else.

this.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

The smart move and I predict this will happen is for the Chiefs to trade back to the 5-10 area to pick up Warmack ,in return we pick up a 1st in next years draft and a 2nd this year and go after Johnny football in next years draft.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

If the draft evaluators are correct regarding this draft then making sure you get a SOLID player should become the goal. I like Milliner and would welcome him in a Chiefs uniform at a position of dire need.

Geno and Wilson will both have a far more significant impact on the team than Milliner.

You're approaching the draft with a Martyball mindset. You don't win when you play not to lose.

**FRCDFED** · 02-19-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Geno and Wilson will both have a far more significant impact on the team than Milliner.

You're approaching the draft with a Martyball mindset. You don't win when you play not to lose.

I'm trying not to approach it from that angle. I just want to be sure we get some good football players on this team with great attitudes. I like smash-mouth Martyball as much as the next guy but I also like the Coryell "air-it-out" offense. We have a one-in-a-lifetime running back with Charles. I would hate to waste that talent ala B. Sanders in Detroit.

suds79 · 02-19-2013, 10:16 AM

I finally got to watching Moneyball this weekend. There was a line in there where Jonah Hill says...

"People who run ball clubs, they think in terms of buying players. Your goal shouldn't be to buy players, your goal should be to buy wins."

I think this draft and the #1 overall pick is much the same.

People buy into who is raited higher by the scouts. Getting all worked up over feeling good about the value they got... Warmack, Lotulelei, Jockel, etc. All those guys won't account for squat in regards to being responsible for wins.

Who will?

QB by a long shot. Then after that in order? Elite pass rushers, shutdown corners.

Take your pick of that lot.

**FRCDFED** · 02-19-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

I finally got to watching Moneyball this weekend. There was a line in there where Jonah Hill says...

"People who run ball clubs, they think in terms of buying players. Your goal shouldn't be to buy players, your goal should be to buy wins."

I think this draft and the #1 overall pick is much the same.

People buy into who is raited higher by the scouts. Getting all worked up over feeling good about the value they got... Warmack, Lotulelei, Jockel, etc. All those guys won't account for squat in regards to being responsible for wins.

Who will?

QB by a long shot. Then after that in order? Elite pass rushers, shutdown corners.

Take your pick of that lot.

That was an interesting movie. I really like the approach because it was solely based on performance and BPA at a given position.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-19-2013, 10:20 AM

When you take a QB at #1 and he doesn't pan out you have just ****ed yourself for the foreseeable future. You HAVE to hit with #1

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-19-2013, 10:20 AM

I wont tell him hes crazy. I will however tell him his shelf life has expired, and that retirement should be his first round prority.
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jspchief · 02-19-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ct

Believe both those guys were at least drafted as Tackles. Were they Guards in college as Albert was, drafted as, then moved to Tackle?

See I thought Davis was drafted as a tackle too. He played his first 3 NFL seasons at guard, then played some tackle, then went back to guard. I don't remember what he played in college. But I remember him as being drafted to play tackle. I could be wrong.

The Albert part was a joke based on how many window-lickers think moving him back to guard is a good idea..

jspchief · 02-19-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

When you take a QB at #1 and he doesn't pan out you have just ****ed yourself for the foreseeable future. You HAVE to hit with #1

Explain this further.

**the Talking Can** · 02-19-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

When you take a QB at #1 and he doesn't pan out you have just ****ed yourself for the foreseeable future. You HAVE to hit with #1

how can anyone still believe this nonsense?

we've ****ed ourselves for decades without drafting a QB...

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-19-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Explain this further.

You're not going to shit can a QB after year one. You're going to give him 3 years . Does that explain it for you ?

02-19-2013, 09:05 AM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Mayock sees four options for the Chiefs at No. 1 Mayock sees four options for Chiefs at No. 1 Posted by Mike Florio on February 19, 2013, 9:02 AM EST APOn Monday, preeminent draft guru Mike Mayock participated in a pre-Combine conference call that lasted more than 2.5 hours. Tirelessly answering question after question, Mayock demonstrated once again a computerized recall of names and teams and needs. With plenty of interest focused on what will happen at the top of the draft, Mayock eventually was asked to identify the players he believes to be worthy of the first overall pick, held by the Chiefs. Mayock said there are four: Alabama guard Chance Warmack; North Carolina guard Jonathan Cooper; Texas A&M tackle Luke Joeckel; and Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher. Warmack is Mayock’s preference. “People will tell me I’m crazy, that a guard can’t go No. 1,” Mayock explained. “I think he’s the best player in the draft, so I would argue that.” The list doesn’t create the kind of sizzle to which we’ve become accustomed at the top of the draft. And for good reason. There are no quarterbacks regarded as worthy of being the first overall pick this year. Mayock realizes that the Chiefs’ needs could be influenced by their decision regarding tackle Branden Albert (who could actually move to guard if a guy like Joeckel is drafted with the first pick). Still, Chiefs coach Andy Reid learned the hard way in 2012 the importance of having a high-end offensive live. With a cluster of high-quality blockers at the top of the draft and a rookie wage scale to keep the total cost far less than what it would be to sign Albert to a long-term deal, the Chiefs could opt for the lineman whom they decide they like the most. And then they’d hope that the rest of the teams agree with G.M. John Dorsey’s assessment that none of the quarterbacks merit a first-round selection. Which would push all of the quarterbacks to the Chiefs at the top of round two.
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Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1460477	The smart move and I predict this will happen is for the Chiefs to trade back to the 5-10 area to pick up Warmack ,in return we pick up a 1st in next years draft and a 2nd this year and go after Johnny football in next years draft.
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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	I finally got to watching Moneyball this weekend. There was a line in there where Jonah Hill says... "People who run ball clubs, they think in terms of buying players. Your goal shouldn't be to buy players, your goal should be to buy wins." I think this draft and the #1 overall pick is much the same. People buy into who is raited higher by the scouts. Getting all worked up over feeling good about the value they got... Warmack, Lotulelei, Jockel, etc. All those guys won't account for squat in regards to being responsible for wins. Who will? QB by a long shot. Then after that in order? Elite pass rushers, shutdown corners. Take your pick of that lot.
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