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Old 10-22-2014, 11:15 AM  
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Proposed trades at the deadline
On my phone so can't post the article, here's the link.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...gn=Twitter_atl

Proposed chiefs trading picks to Bucs for Vincent Jackson.

I'm in
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Old 10-22-2014, 01:53 PM   #31
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Old 10-22-2014, 01:57 PM   #32
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Should have traded Houston, Poe you have to keep if you're insistent on the 3-4.

But if you want to be real here, they never should have traded for Smith, should have let Bowe walk after 2013 and should have traded JC. They would have sucked in '13 but the team would be in a much better position to move forward than they are in now with an aging, game manager QB, with past-prime starters like DJ and Tamba and young guys who are going to demand a ton in FA like Berry and Houston.
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Should have traded Houston, Poe you have to keep if you're insistent on the 3-4.

But if you want to be real here, they never should have traded for Smith, should have let Bowe walk after 2013 and should have traded JC. They would have sucked in '13 but the team would be in a much better position to move forward than they are in now with an aging, game manager QB, with past-prime starters like DJ and Tamba and young guys who are going to demand a ton in FA like Berry and Houston.
That's a dumb idea. I wasn't in favor of the free agent spending spree we went on in 2013, but there is no team that would have given us the appropriate value we would have needed for Houston. Or Jamaal Charles for that matter. I can get behind letting Bowe walk, since it's a part of the taking the free agency lumps now plan.

You have to win with stars in this league. It makes no sense to trade away our best stars when they're this young so we can acquire some more players that we won't pay in 2 years.

Houston needs a new contract, and it needs to come from Dorsey's Chiefs checks. End of discussion.
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Old 10-22-2014, 03:06 PM   #34
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He isn't a WCO receiver.

Dude runs go routes and fights for the ball well, but he isn't really the type of receiver this system requires.
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That's a dumb idea. I wasn't in favor of the free agent spending spree we went on in 2013, but there is no team that would have given us the appropriate value we would have needed for Houston. Or Jamaal Charles for that matter. I can get behind letting Bowe walk, since it's a part of the taking the free agency lumps now plan.

You have to win with stars in this league. It makes no sense to trade away our best stars when they're this young so we can acquire some more players that we won't pay in 2 years.

Houston needs a new contract, and it needs to come from Dorsey's Chiefs checks. End of discussion.
Exactly! Trade Houston and JC? Never will happen. Congrats JC on breaking the Chief's all time rushing record-welcome to Tampa Bay.
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Should have traded Houston, Poe you have to keep if you're insistent on the 3-4.

But if you want to be real here, they never should have traded for Smith, should have let Bowe walk after 2013 and should have traded JC. They would have sucked in '13 but the team would be in a much better position to move forward than they are in now with an aging, game manager QB, with past-prime starters like DJ and Tamba and young guys who are going to demand a ton in FA like Berry and Houston.
Holy ****. Your game management idea in the game chats are horrific and somehow your personnel management ideas are even worse. Wow.
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Old 10-22-2014, 03:19 PM   #37
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Should have traded Houston, Poe you have to keep if you're insistent on the 3-4.

But if you want to be real here, they never should have traded for Smith, should have let Bowe walk after 2013 and should have traded JC. They would have sucked in '13 but the team would be in a much better position to move forward than they are in now with an aging, game manager QB, with past-prime starters like DJ and Tamba and young guys who are going to demand a ton in FA like Berry and Houston.
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We need someone like Harvin.

VJ is just a taller Bowe.
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Old 10-22-2014, 03:30 PM   #39
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depends on the pick , this is like VJ's 10th season...

too old to be guaranteed help in any other season but right now.

However

I would say yes, pull the trigger on the deal, if we can not give away too much (a 3rd round pick? a second?) because:

1) we do have a legit chance to be 10-6 or 9-7 and get into the playoffs...for that reason alone ..and the experience it would bring...I would do it.

2) to help with getting some deeper pass routes in the playbook, so the OL & smith can work on pass protecting

3) the rest of our schedule is softer than the 1st part, by FAR.......

4) maybe we can use him for a couple years till be draft megatron lite


I dunno...**** it
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depends on the pick , this is like VJ's 10th season...

too old to be guaranteed help in any other season but right now.

However

I would say yes, pull the trigger on the deal, if we can not give away too much (a 3rd round pick? a second?) because:

1) we do have a legit chance to be 10-6 or 9-7 and get into the playoffs...for that reason alone ..and the experience it would bring...I would do it.

2) to help with getting some deeper pass routes in the playbook, so the OL & smith can work on pass protecting

3) the rest of our schedule is softer than the 1st part, by FAR.......

4) maybe we can use him for a couple years till be draft megatron lite

I dunno...**** it
Wow... agree with all of this.

Looking at VJ's contract, we would get him at about 10 mil for 2.5 more years.. and there would be no money guaranteed, other than his base pay.

He is similar to Bowe, but taller, and a much better attacker of the ball. Much depends on his attitude.

Would also pretty much require us to cut Bowe loose after the year... can't see paying both that kind of money.

So in 2015, having VJ already on the roster.. cut Bowe.. save that 5 million.. cut Avery... save another 4 million. Draft an early rd WR... or two.
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... not this again. For whatever reason.. and for however long, I am a Chiefs fan. Deal with it, or keep futilely struggling with that. Asshole.
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This would be an amazing get for the Chiefs. It shouldn't take more than a 4th to get him. Everyone would be well aware that this is a straight salary dumb for a team that has no aspirations of winning. They already have his replacement in Mike Evans.

I don't know if they can fit his salary, but if something like this could be done, he is a great route runner, and when motivated is a top 15 receiver in the league.
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He isn't a WCO receiver.

Dude runs go routes and fights for the ball well, but he isn't really the type of receiver this system requires.
all feddie mitchell, terrell owens and desean jackson did was run go routes in Andys WCO

hes always had that WR who just runs a straight route
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Also...

One additional reason to add to my list:

5) because we will probably end up with a better record than many of us (me for sure) thought...even say if we 'only' end up 8-8 or 7-9.......its still kind of a middling draft pick so giving up a 3rd rounder somewhere around 15 or 17th pick in the 3rd round would be worth it...IMO...just for the possibility to play a playoff game
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