Chiefs Chiefs Are "Begging" To Get Out Of 1st Pick - Page 3

houstonwhodat · 05:02 AM

According to this reporter at SB Nation, the Chiefs are "begging" to get out of the 1st pick in the draft.

April 15th:

"The Kansas City Chiefs earned the top spot in the NFL Draft with their 2-14 record last season, but it seems increasingly likely that they won't be the ones to actually make the first selection: Mike Freeman of CBS writes that the Chiefs are "begging" for the opportunity to move the pick."

"It's no surprise that the Kansas City Chiefs are open to trades for the No. 1 pick. They've already traded for a quarterback in Alex Smith, and the near-consensus best player available, Luke Joeckel, doesn't seem to be inspiring huge amounts of excitement in Kansas City, especially since Branden Albert has been a solid option for them at the position ever since they used their first-round pick on him in 2008. It is a little bit surprising how open they seem to be about it. Andy Reid said the team was open to it all the way back in February, and GM John Dorsey made similar statements a few weeks ago. But that's nothing compared to all the rumors of behind-the-scenes machinations trying to trade the pick. For what it's worth, Dan Kadar of Mocking the Draft said moving the pick was a "dream scenario" when he analyzed the Chiefs' choices in February."

"No team has traded a No. 1 pick since 2004 when the Chargers traded Eli Manning to the Giants, but that was a different scenario, as Manning had publicly stated he wouldn't play for the Chargers. Despite the ultimatum, they were still able to get a good haul for him - the fourth pick in that draft, Phillip Rivers, as well as first and third-round picks in 2005. The Rams were able to get an arm and a leg from the Redskins for the second pick in last year's draft, receiving last year's No. 6 pick and a second-rounder as well as first-round picks in this upcoming draft and in 2014. However, those trades were both for franchise-caliber quarterbacks, something this class has a dearth of."

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/1...ing-trade-down

Coogs · 04-15-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cockeyes

Reid and Dorsey really overplayed our hand on Alex Smith. It's too bad we didn't wait to consummate that deal on draft day.

Wasn't going to happen. Smith had roster bonuses due from the 69ers on March 12th. They were going to keep him if they paid them.

BigCatDaddy · 04-15-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cockeyes

These 2013 QB prospects are going to drop like stones

I still think 3 or 4 go in the 1st.

**RealSNR** · 04-15-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

What? When have I shit on Geno this off season?

I wasn't talking about you.

**MahiMike** · 04-15-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Any why the **** would you do that?

Because nobody wants to trade up to #1. But they would trade up to #2 at a reduced cost. The draft sheet is moot now with the rookie salary cap. We could get our 2nd rounder back with not much else compensation and still come out ahead.

Messier · 04-15-2013, 01:15 PM

Everyone is assuming the Chiefs overplayed their hand with Smith. I think it's as likely, if not more so, that there was an early strong market for Smith. The 49ers I'm sure set the price for Smith. The Chiefs didn't call and say, "We'll give you two seconds for Alex. What do you say?" I'm. Sure it was more the 49ers telling teams what it'll take to trade for him, and I'll bet they started with a first rounder.

I remember several teams releasing statements, saying they weren't pursuing Smith, and just a few days later it leaked that the Chiefs had a deal in place. I think those teams probably DID pursue him, but the Chiefs won out. Smith did say there were a number of interested teams.

BlackHelicopters · 04-15-2013, 01:17 PM

Got to have a trade partner. Someone has to be convinced the dude they want won't be around. We are stuck. The mantra is the same:Bad year to be 1:1.

Nickel D · 04-15-2013, 01:19 PM

Clark, Scotty, and Andy became desperate to trade the pick away when they just recently realized that Leon Sandcastle is Deion Sanders in disguise.

Marcellus · 04-15-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

No. There's ONE player worth the #1 overall pick. A QB.

Need met value at that pick and Reid/Dorsey avoided it.

Now they have a pick that meets neither need nor value and want to get out of it.

HMMMM WHO COULD HAVE SAW THIS COMING

No its obvious that isn't the case or else KC would have a trade partner already and the Raiders and Cards wouldn't have made moves for QB's.

If Geno was so good we wouldn't be in this situation. What part of that is hard for you to comprehend?

Geno may be the best QB prospect in this draft but NOBODY thinks he is worth the #1 pick. JFC wise up.

**RealSNR** · 04-15-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

No its obvious that isn't the case or else KC would have a trade partner already and the Raiders and Cards wouldn't have made moves for QB's.

If Geno was so good we wouldn't be in this situation. What part of that is hard for you to comprehend?

Geno may be the best QB prospect in this draft but NOBODY thinks he is worth the #1 pick. JFC wise up.

Teams don't want to trade up for him because he isn't Luck or RGIII. Not because he isn't worth the #1.

SOMEBODY in this class has to go at that top spot. Are you saying that player is Luke ****ing Joeckel? One of the mediocre pass rushers? Give me a ****ing break.

NFL teams think like this because coaches and GMs get fired if they make bad picks. Geno is "TWO RISKEE111!" for them as a QB. But in terms of players who can even sniff the significant impact that that the #1 overall pick will be worth?

It's Geno. And you don't know what NFL teams think. This time of the year it's impossible to know based on what they do.

RunKC · 04-15-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It's not abundantly clear unless you can invent truth serum and force Andy or John to spill their guts.

Reports have ranged all over the ****ing place on what they think of this draft class as have their words publicly.

And we'll probably never REALLY know what they really think of Geno Smith. We can pretty fairly say that Andy Reid has some bizarre attraction to Alex Smith. It's the only thing that's been consistent this offseason from what he's told us. If that's true, you don't know if he thought Geno Smith was or was not worth the #1 overall pick.

To put it another way, if the Chiefs trade out of the pick or take a non-LT, does that mean Reid/Dorsey thought that neither Joeckel or Fisher were worth the #1 overall pick? Not necessarily.

That strain of bullshit is only being assumed by people when it comes to the QBs because that's apparently what you do this offseason. Shit on the QBs in the draft. It's fun!

Actions speak louder than words and so far the Chiefs have shown those actions which state abundantly "we don't want Geno".

Marcellus · 04-15-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Teams don't want to trade up for him because he isn't Luck or RGIII. Not because he isn't worth the #1.

SOMEBODY in this class has to go at that top spot. Are you saying that player is Luke ****ing Joeckel? One of the mediocre pass rushers? Give me a ****ing break.

NFL teams think like this because coaches and GMs get fired if they make bad picks. Geno is "TWO RISKEE111!" for them as a QB. But in terms of players who can even sniff the significant impact that that the #1 overall pick will be worth?

It's Geno. And you don't know what NFL teams think. This time of the year it's impossible to know based on what they do.

So then why the diatribe on how Reid and Dorsey got caught with their pants down?

Fact is if they didn't want Geno they had to make a move for a QB.

That and the #1 pick are not mutually exclusive.

**RealSNR** · 04-15-2013, 01:28 PM

If Matt Stafford (a shitty QB that people on this board have a bizarre fascination with) were the top QB available in the draft, how do you know Andy Reid still wouldn't have made the Alex Smith trade?

You heard him talking. It's likely (again, I don't know for sure) that he intended to make the Smith trade no matter WHO was the top QB in the draft outside of an Andrew Luck.

**RealSNR** · 04-15-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

So then why the diatribe on how Reid and Dorsey got caught with their pants down?

Fact is if they didn't want Geno they had to make a move for a QB.

That and the #1 pick are not mutually exclusive.

Because they paid out the ass for a guy nobody really wanted. They got played by teams and were forced to overbid for a shitty QB.

That's just as bad as "overdrafting" Geno at #1. If not worse, because there is INSANE amounts of draft value at that 2nd round pick this year. There's almost nothing at #1 overall.

The fact is that John Dorsey was trying to play Uncle Ron Wolf in these negotiations and wound up doing the exact OPPOSITE of a Ron Wolf strategy.

WV · 04-15-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Because they paid out the ass for a guy nobody really wanted. They got played by teams and were forced to overbid for a shitty QB.

That's just as bad as "overdrafting" Geno at #1. If not worse, because there is INSANE amounts of draft value at that 2nd round pick this year. There's almost nothing at #1 overall.

The fact is that John Dorsey was trying to play Uncle Ron Wolf in these negotiations and wound up doing the exact OPPOSITE of a Ron Wolf strategy.

Still cracks me up that people can still justify the fleecing we took in the Average Smith trade. Let's take a T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**HemiEd** · 04-15-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

No QB worth the 1st in their opinion. That's been Abu dantly clear for a while.

You still buying that crap?

What has Abu dantly clear for 30 years, is that the Chiefs will not be picking a QB in the first round, no matter the circumstances.

04-15-2013, 12:03 PM
houstonwhodat Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Parallel Universe Casino cash: $10004900	Chiefs Are "Begging" To Get Out Of 1st Pick According to this reporter at SB Nation, the Chiefs are "begging" to get out of the 1st pick in the draft. April 15th: "The Kansas City Chiefs earned the top spot in the NFL Draft with their 2-14 record last season, but it seems increasingly likely that they won't be the ones to actually make the first selection: Mike Freeman of CBS writes that the Chiefs are "begging" for the opportunity to move the pick." "It's no surprise that the Kansas City Chiefs are open to trades for the No. 1 pick. They've already traded for a quarterback in Alex Smith, and the near-consensus best player available, Luke Joeckel, doesn't seem to be inspiring huge amounts of excitement in Kansas City, especially since Branden Albert has been a solid option for them at the position ever since they used their first-round pick on him in 2008. It is a little bit surprising how open they seem to be about it. Andy Reid said the team was open to it all the way back in February, and GM John Dorsey made similar statements a few weeks ago. But that's nothing compared to all the rumors of behind-the-scenes machinations trying to trade the pick. For what it's worth, Dan Kadar of Mocking the Draft said moving the pick was a "dream scenario" when he analyzed the Chiefs' choices in February." "No team has traded a No. 1 pick since 2004 when the Chargers traded Eli Manning to the Giants, but that was a different scenario, as Manning had publicly stated he wouldn't play for the Chargers. Despite the ultimatum, they were still able to get a good haul for him - the fourth pick in that draft, Phillip Rivers, as well as first and third-round picks in 2005. The Rams were able to get an arm and a leg from the Redskins for the second pick in last year's draft, receiving last year's No. 6 pick and a second-rounder as well as first-round picks in this upcoming draft and in 2014. However, those trades were both for franchise-caliber quarterbacks, something this class has a dearth of." http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/1...ing-trade-down Last edited by houstonwhodat; 04-16-2013 at 05:02 AM..
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Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	Everyone is assuming the Chiefs overplayed their hand with Smith. I think it's as likely, if not more so, that there was an early strong market for Smith. The 49ers I'm sure set the price for Smith. The Chiefs didn't call and say, "We'll give you two seconds for Alex. What do you say?" I'm. Sure it was more the 49ers telling teams what it'll take to trade for him, and I'll bet they started with a first rounder. I remember several teams releasing statements, saying they weren't pursuing Smith, and just a few days later it leaked that the Chiefs had a deal in place. I think those teams probably DID pursue him, but the Chiefs won out. Smith did say there were a number of interested teams.
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Nickel D Veteran Join Date: Mar 2011 Casino cash: $11006781	Clark, Scotty, and Andy became desperate to trade the pick away when they just recently realized that Leon Sandcastle is Deion Sanders in disguise.
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2040208	If Matt Stafford (a shitty QB that people on this board have a bizarre fascination with) were the top QB available in the draft, how do you know Andy Reid still wouldn't have made the Alex Smith trade? You heard him talking. It's likely (again, I don't know for sure) that he intended to make the Smith trade no matter WHO was the top QB in the draft outside of an Andrew Luck.
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