Tom Brady; least clutch QB in NFL history?

[Hootie]

(Slow day at work for me, guys):

Tom Brady:

2005: Gets crushed by Jake Plummer and the Denver Broncos. Plays HORRENDOUSLY. Embarrassingly bad.

2006: Blows an 18 point lead to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. Plays horrendously, and ends the game in Indy territory throwing a game ending INT to Marlon Jackson. Great clutch play.

2007: 18-1. Scores 14 points in the Super Bowl in a game they are favored to win by 13.5. Also, in the AFCCG against the Chargers, he posted a QB rating of 18 and threw 3 INT's. Very clutch, I know.

2008: KNEE CRUSHER; Cassel wins 11 games as starting QB.

2009: Gets OBLITERATED by Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Loses the game single-handedly in the 1st quarter and posts a WHOPPING QBR OF 4.2. Not a typo. FOUR POINT TWO. FOUR POINT TWO. In reference, Peyton posted a 24.4 last year against Seattle in the Super Bowl. So picture how bad that performance was, and multiply it by about 25.

2010: Lost @ home to MARK SANCHEZ AND THE JETS. But don't worry guys, Tom Brady doubled his QBR in this one and posted a respectable 8.7 EIGHT POINT SEVEN.

2011: Got to the Super Bowl by beating Tim Tebow, playing HORRENDOUSLY against the Ravens (again) in the Lee Evans game, and then overthrowing Welker to lose another Super Bowl. Clutch.

2012: Got obliterated by Joe Flacco and the Ravens despite being favored by 7. He posted a respectable 40 QBR, though, and only lost by 15 ... despite Peyton beating the team the week before only to be Rahim Moore'd. Great clutch play.

2013: Beat Andrew Luck despite throwing 0 TD's. Lost to Peyton Manning, while playing another mediocre game. 1 TD. Very clutch, Mr. Brady!

So, in short, the biggest playoff choking QB in the NFL right now is Tom Brady. In all of those aforementioned choke jobs, he was favored to lose TWICE, both to Peyton Manning (both losses).

Any more myths you want be to bust?

4.2 QBR and 8.7 QBR is Rex Grossman bad, in case anyone wanted a reference point.

[Hootie]

In the last 9 seasons,

Brady has 8 playoff losses, 0 Super Bowl wins, 2 losses to Peyton Manning and 2 losses in the Super Bowl.

Manning has 7 playoff losses, 1 Super Bowl win, 0 losses to Tom Brady, and 2 losses in the Super Bowl.

9 seasons is a pretty big sample size post Spygate.

Hard to argue that Tom Brady is more clutch than Peyton Manning.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I'll bet you have a different #1 than Hootie.

yah, but not by too much

I do agree peyton manning is amazing

but Joe Montana is my #1

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

In the last 9 seasons,

Brady has 8 playoff losses, 0 Super Bowl wins, 2 losses to Peyton Manning and 2 losses in the Super Bowl.

Manning has 7 playoff losses, 1 Super Bowl win, 0 losses to Tom Brady, and 2 losses in the Super Bowl.

9 seasons is a pretty big sample size post Spygate.

Hard to argue that Tom Brady is more clutch than Peyton Manning.

Brady has 10 wins 8 Losses in last 9 years, playoffs

How many wins does manning have for those 7 losses?

[Hootie]

I think it's funny that Roger Goodell, the corrupt commissioner of the NFL, destroyed all Spygate evidence so it wouldn't ruin the integrity of the NFL...

and no one wants to talk about it anymore.

The Patriots have won ZERO Super Bowls post Spygate.

A former Patriot assistant coach ratted them out to the NFL.

3 Super Bowls pre-spygate
0 Super Bowls after-spygate

and people want to pretend this is a non-issue?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Brady has 10 wins 8 Losses in last 9 years, playoffs

How many wins does manning have for those 7 losses?

8-7

Brady is 9-8

remarkable similar post spygate, no?

wonder how good Peyton would have been with those defensive signals illegally being relayed to him?

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Hard to argue that Tom Brady is more clutch than Peyton Manning.

You are the one who has turned this thread into Brady vs. Manning. I'll ask you this: if you are coaching a team in the Super Bowl and you have to choose between Brady and Manning as your QB, who are you choosing.

[Just Passin' By]

Since Hootie is trying to move the goalposts all over the field, I thought I'd post the definition of clutch:

Sports. an extremely important or crucial moment of a game:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clutch

1: made or done in a crucial situation
2: successful in a crucial situation

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clutch


By definition, Brady was clutch in 2001, when he drove his team down the field for the game winning field goal.

By definition, Brady was clutch in 2003, when he drove his team down for the game winning field goal.

By definition, Brady was clutch in 2004, when he led his team to 10 4th quarter points, and the win, when the score was tied after 3 quarters.

By definition, Brady was clutch in 2007, when he led his team to the lead with about 3 minutes left in the game.

Peyton Manning, on the other hand, was in position to lead his team on a game tying drive when he threw a pick-6 to seal his team's loss in Super Bowl XLIV.


I look forward to Hootie now arguing with the dictionary.

[Hootie]

Since I'm an honest guy, and I stay true to my opinion regardless of the attacks I receive...

I'd take Tom Brady.

If Manning still had the arm he had in Indy, I'd take Peyton Manning.

Now? Tom Brady pretty easily.

The point of this thread is to show how hypocritical people are when it comes to the two QB's.

Brady has had 10 years of being Peyton Manning in the playoffs, yet one guy is still the choker, and the other guy is still the clutch performer.

It's laughably hypocritical.

[Nightfyre]

In the last nine years, Peyton has gone 9-8 in the playoffs, including 5 one and dones, 3 AFC championships and one super bowl.

In the last nine years, Brady has gone 9-8 in the playoffs, including 2 one and dones, 2 AFC championships and zero super bowls.

So I guess if you want to throw out 3 superbowl seasons for Brady, and 3 one and done years for Manning, you can say they are pretty equal.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

8-7

Brady is 9-8

remarkable similar post spygate, no?

the spygate stuff was at home games yes?

not the superbowls or away games, right?

I honestly dont know too much about the spygate stuff but if he still got to two superbowls and is 9-8 post season POST spygate it seems thats about what he was doing pre-spygate, no?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Since Hootie is trying to move the goalposts all over the field, I thought I'd post the definition of clutch:



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clutch



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clutch


By definition, Brady was clutch in 2001, when he drove his team down the field for the game winning field goal.

By definition, Brady was clutch in 2003, when he drove his team down for the game winning field goal.

By definition, Brady was clutch in 2004, when he led his team to 10 4th quarter points, and the win, when the score was tied after 3 quarters.

By definition, Brady was clutch in 2007, when he led his team to the lead with about 3 minutes left in the game.

Peyton Manning, on the other hand, was in position to lead his team on a game tying drive when he threw a pick-6 to seal his team's loss in Super Bowl XLIV.


I look forward to Hootie now arguing with the dictionary.

2007 cannot be defined as being clutch.

His team scored 14 points. His team was favored by 13.5 points. His offense was arguably the greatest offense in NFL history.

He also had 30 seconds to get his team into FG range, again, to tie the game. He failed miserably and took another devastating sack.

Calling the 18-1 game clutch is laughably hysterical. Give me a break.

2001, 2003, and 2004 were Vinatieri clutch games, no doubt. Brady did his job though, so kudos to the game manager for those.

However, I am not recognizing those games, at all, due to Spygate.

Barry Bonds was a cheater and gets lambasted for it.

The Patriots cheat? The shield and their grimy commissioner sweeps everything under the rug and now no one even cares.

Insane.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Since I'm an honest guy, and I stay true to my opinion regardless of the attacks I receive...

I'd take Tom Brady.

I

clutch pick sir

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

How about this for clutch:

1. 18-8 lifetime playoff record, which includes the most playoff wins IN NFL HISTORY.

2. His 11-6 record against Peyton Manning, which I'm assuming is the most wins any one QB has against Manning.

3. His NFL record 12 division titles

4. His NFL record-tying 5 Conference Championships.

5. The fact that NO TEAM in the NFL has a winning record against Brady. He is at least .500 against 31 NFL teams. (Manning has a losing record against 5 teams including the Patriots).

6. His highest-in-NFL-history winning percentage of 77.7%.


All the guy does is lead his team to wins. Winning more consistent, more reliable, than the NFL has ever seen, even in the free agency era where players turn over very very rapidly.

Nothing else matters in the NFL except winning. Keep Captain One-and-Done and I'll keep Brady. K? Thanks.

Not if you include playoffs. Denver is 7-6 against Brady.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

the spygate stuff was at home games yes?

not the superbowls, right?

I honestly dont know too much about the spygate stuff but if he still got to two superbowls and is 9-8 post season POST spygate it seems thats about what he was doing pre-spygate, no?

No.

He was 9-0. He started his playoff career 9-0.

Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady during that "dynasty", either. He was the very definition of a game manager.

Those teams were known for their DEFENSE.

But, again, people don't remember that.

And, again, people have forgotten Spygate because Goodell swept it under the rug and destroyed the evidence.

Read what Kurt Warner has to say about it, and the Pats potentially screwing over the Rams in 2001:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3227592

[Nightfyre]

Hootie keeps breaking out point spreads like they are relevant.