The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round

[kcbubb]

The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell.

The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent.

If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.

[Danman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

THis is the question nobody seems to answer. The answer on this board is: "if you don't have a surefire #3 pick, then roll over and die, because the trade chart says trading the guy is impossible." Bull-****ing-shit. If you don't have a surefire, "can't miss" pick, then you don't ask for the moon and the stars to trade out of your spot. That's like complaining that you can't sell your Volkswagen because you are asking for $50,000 to sell it.

You're right it is called leverage. And anyone who has ever negotiated knows that when you don't have leverage, you don't ask for more, more, more. If you are in a poor draft class, you don't have leverage and you shouldn't be asking for ridiculous draft compensation. I don't understand why the draft compensation is the same from year to year. It is the stupidest thing I ever heard and ANYONE with experience in negotiations knows how stupid it is to use the same exact benchmark every single year.

I don't think a trade with this pick will happen. I wonder what pick Pioli trades this year for a better pick next year. Does he trade our #2 for a #1 pick next year? A 4th rd for a 2nd round?

And I absolutely think he will examine the anticipated QB class next year before the draft this year, as well as anticipated players at other positions. His rep is he knows all this stuff. He will take QB this year and load up on picks next year when there'll be a lot of good defensive players available.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Danman

I don't think a trade with this pick will happen. I wonder what pick Pioli trades this year for a better pick next year. Does he trade our #2 for a #1 pick next year? A 4th rd for a 2nd round?

And I absolutely think he will examine the anticipated QB class next year before the draft this year, as well as anticipated players at other positions. His rep is he knows all this stuff. He will take QB this year and load up on picks next year when there'll be a lot of good defensive players available.

I could see this.

[TRR]

The evaluation of both Stafford and Sanchez is critical. If Pioli and (insert coach) feels like Stafford is the guy, then I would try and trade up to get him. If Sanchez is the guy, then grab him at #3. If either of those two aren't what the Chiefs brass wants, then trade down, and stockpile picks.

KC isn't going to fill every hole they have through this draft. For the most part, the team is going to stay the same. To be competitive next season, I think KC really needs to get two QUALITY starters out of free agency. Maybe that's at RT and DE, maybe that's two LB's, maybe it's a DE and a LB. Either way, I think that's what they have to have...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by TRR

The evaluation of both Stafford and Sanchez is critical. If Pioli and (insert coach) feels like Stafford is the guy, then I would try and trade up to get him. If Sanchez is the guy, then grab him at #3. If either of those two aren't what the Chiefs brass wants, then trade down, and stockpile picks.

KC isn't going to fill every hole they have through this draft. For the most part, the team is going to stay the same. To be competitive next season, I think KC really needs to get two QUALITY starters out of free agency. Maybe that's at RT and DE, maybe that's two LB's, maybe it's a DE and a LB. Either way, I think that's what they have to have...

Why would we need to trade up for Stafford?

If Detroit wants him, they aren't going to trade - period.

If they don't, he'll fall to us.

[kstater]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why would we need to trade up for Stafford?

If Detroit wants him, they aren't going to trade - period.

If they don't, he'll fall to us.

Logic doesn't fit very well in this thread.

[JuicesFlowing]

The only problem with drafting a QB at #3 pick is having to pay for it, but with $30 mill cap space, that's gotta help.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

The only problem with drafting a QB at #3 pick is having to pay for it, but with $30 mill cap space, that's gotta help.

Rookie cap and cap space are two entirely different animals.

The most important aspect of signing anyone in the top three is signing bonus, which is spread out over the length of the contract.

The salary cap will have no bearing on "paying" for the number three pick.

[Rigodan]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How about because this QB class is one of the worst in years. Stafford is incredibly inconsistent and Sanchez had one good year with a weak schedule. He did have a good game against penn state, but it takes more than a few good games to be a #3 in my book.

Also, our defense sucks and we have several holes to fill. If we could somehow pull a jimmy johnson and trade one pick for several then maybe we could build a defense.

Another reason, even if the QBs end up being decent, they probably would not be successful with the chiefs. both sanchez and stafford are pocket passers. the chiefs don't know what a pocket is. every QB that tried to be a drop back QB last year got killed. no chance. Peyton Manning wouldn't have been successful with that line.

just a few reasons for ya.

1. Sanchez is the shit watch some damn tape. He also is better suited to survive behind a bad o-line than most other options at this point.

2. Trading down sounds nice but ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. There's no one worthy of trading up for except for Sanchez.

3. Yes defense wins championships but they rarely do so without a franchise qb. I know the Ravens won one with Trent Dilfer but it doesn't happen very often.

There are a lot of really good teams that don't win a Superbowl every year. Look at the Pats last year. Possibly one of the greatest teams of all time and they lost. Look at the Steelers and Giants when they won and the Cardinals this year. Crazy stuff happens in the playoffs. For the Chiefs to win the Superbowl they're probably going to need more than one shot at it with a really good team because of the nature of the playoffs. Teams that are consistently in playoffs with good teams every year have one thing in common. They have great quaterbacks. Patriots/Brady, Colts/Manning, Steelers/Roethlisberger, Chargers/Brees/Rivers, earlier in the deacade you had Eagles/McNabb(before he couldn't decide whether to care or not).

You can also look at the great defenses this decade that didn't have franchise qbs. Baltimore and tampa bay for example. From 2003 to 2007 they finished in the top 6 in total defense every year except for Tampa Bay in 2006. Without a good quarterback those great defenses had a regular season record of 79-81, made the playoffs 4 out of 10 times and won ZERO playoff games. To repeat those defenses finished in the top 6 9/10 and won 0 playoff games.

Sure we could build the defense, hope to get a qb later, and pray to god that everything falls into place like it did for Trent Dilfer. Sure it could happen, but its not likely. Whats more likely is that we go down the same road that TB and Baltimore did in the middle of this decade and the Chiefs of the 90s. And that road doesn't lead to a Superbowl.

One more point. We've seen mediocre defenses get hot in the playoffs twice in the last 3 years(Colts 06, Cards this year) and win games because they had good offenses with good quaterbacks. We've never seen mediocre offenses with average or worse qbs get hot like that ever.

just a few reasons for ya

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

The only problem with drafting a QB at #3 pick is having to pay for it, but with $30 mill cap space, that's gotta help.

Your QB should be the highest salary on your team.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Your QB should be the highest salary on your team.

Its one of the big reasons why we have so much salary cap space. No QB salary.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Yeah. Compared to the state of most positions, our receivers are golden.

And they haven't even been pushed towards excellence yet! Herm brought a LOT of stink with him during his tenure, and a better coaching staff will get rid of it.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Rookie cap and cap space are two entirely different animals.

The most important aspect of signing anyone in the top three is signing bonus, which is spread out over the length of the contract.

The salary cap will have no bearing on "paying" for the number three pick.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its one of the big reasons why we have so much salary cap space. No QB salary.

Would it be bold to assume some intelligence on the part of our former 'Wonder Twins' in that they held on to that surplus with an eye towards picking up a QB this year?

[warrior]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Rookie cap and cap space are two entirely different animals.

The most important aspect of signing anyone in the top three is signing bonus, which is spread out over the length of the contract.

The salary cap will have no bearing on "paying" for the number three pick.

Exactly

[Danman]

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

The only problem with drafting a QB at #3 pick is having to pay for it, but with $30 mill cap space, that's gotta help.

Stop it, stop it, STOP IT

You wanna be an elite franchise, You HAVE to have an elite QB, and you HAVE to pay him more money than you're personally going to make in your life. It's the cost of doing business in the NFL. You wanna pinch pennies. get a retread QB and go 9-7 every year. You wanna go to the Super Bowl? You gotta be willing to do the things to get there. Developing a franchise QB is step 1. Every other position on the field is secondary

[Danman]

Originally Posted by Rigodan

1. Sanchez is the shit watch some damn tape. He also is better suited to survive behind a bad o-line than most other options at this point.

2. Trading down sounds nice but ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. There's no one worthy of trading up for except for Sanchez.

3. Yes defense wins championships but they rarely do so without a franchise qb. I know the Ravens won one with Trent Dilfer but it doesn't happen very often.

There are a lot of really good teams that don't win a Superbowl every year. Look at the Pats last year. Possibly one of the greatest teams of all time and they lost. Look at the Steelers and Giants when they won and the Cardinals this year. Crazy stuff happens in the playoffs. For the Chiefs to win the Superbowl they're probably going to need more than one shot at it with a really good team because of the nature of the playoffs. Teams that are consistently in playoffs with good teams every year have one thing in common. They have great quaterbacks. Patriots/Brady, Colts/Manning, Steelers/Roethlisberger, Chargers/Brees/Rivers, earlier in the deacade you had Eagles/McNabb(before he couldn't decide whether to care or not).

You can also look at the great defenses this decade that didn't have franchise qbs. Baltimore and tampa bay for example. From 2003 to 2007 they finished in the top 6 in total defense every year except for Tampa Bay in 2006. Without a good quarterback those great defenses had a regular season record of 79-81, made the playoffs 4 out of 10 times and won ZERO playoff games. To repeat those defenses finished in the top 6 9/10 and won 0 playoff games.

Sure we could build the defense, hope to get a qb later, and pray to god that everything falls into place like it did for Trent Dilfer. Sure it could happen, but its not likely. Whats more likely is that we go down the same road that TB and Baltimore did in the middle of this decade and the Chiefs of the 90s. And that road doesn't lead to a Superbowl.

One more point. We've seen mediocre defenses get hot in the playoffs twice in the last 3 years(Colts 06, Cards this year) and win games because they had good offenses with good quaterbacks. We've never seen mediocre offenses with average or worse qbs get hot like that ever.

just a few reasons for ya

Outstanding Post, and another Noob. Rep to ya