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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 07-14-2017, 11:12 PM   #3886
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:24 PM   #3887
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:27 PM   #3888
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Dumbass he pitched Tuesday night. First logical day is Sunday, they are going with Monday instead.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:41 PM   #3889
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Right. Once we discovered HR were flying out of MLB stadiums at a record rate, 2016 and onward the Royals had to scramble around to figure out a way to combat that issue. They tried to fix it by trading for power hitting Jorge Soler, signing Brandon Moss and so on. Trading Dyson because his skillset is a little less valuable in a juiced ball MLB climate. Using Alexander as a key bullpen piece with his groundball pitching ability, even though that may have always been the plan. The ability to get to fly balls with our OF defense is a key staple of the Royal's previous success. Kudos for Dayton Moore for trying to adjust on the fly.

Sure, it's helped Moose and Salvy (primarily fly ball hitters at this point of their careers) but it's sure hurt us more than helped us. It's neutralized our ability to pay cheap fly ball pitchers, cheap speedy defenders, and lessens the value of stolen bases to some degree if it's that much easier to hit a HR.

Pretty simple stuff really. It is just very unfortunate that MLB went this route, and claims they had no part of it. GTFO MLB
"scrambling around"
Moss signed as replacement for Morales
We've had a rotating outfield position for a couple years--Dyson traded to get a starting pitcher because Ventura died
Soler brought in to be a regular outfielder, but he's sucked

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The Royals actually rolled with the changes in the game pretty well I think. There was a time where we might have been 2 years behind a thing like the juiced ball. It was obvious last year, but they changed their roster construction before it really blew up into the hot topic it is now.

This team is on pace to set a team record for HRs. They could have 8+ guys hit double digits. It's not like they've been left behind. And guys like Jason Vargas should be the ones suffering from the HR spike, and instead he's pitching great. Soria has been very effective too. The only guy it really ruined was Chris Young.

The problem is that the offense was asleep at the wheel in April. Historically bad by a wide margin... and it put the team in a huge hole.
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The Royals actually rolled with the changes in the game pretty well I think. There was a time where we might have been 2 years behind a thing like the juiced ball. It was obvious last year, but they changed their roster construction before it really blew up into the hot topic it is now.

This team is on pace to set a team record for HRs. They could have 8+ guys hit double digits. It's not like they've been left behind. And guys like Jason Vargas should be the ones suffering from the HR spike, and instead he's pitching great. Soria has been very effective too. The only guy it really ruined was Chris Young.

The problem is that the offense was asleep at the wheel in April. Historically bad by a wide margin... and it put the team in a huge hole.
Ian Kennedy is another one you can add to the list of pitchers hurt by the juiced ball. His entire career he has thrived when his fly balls have stayed in the yard. Even last year he was serviceable to an extent of good fortune, not so much this year.

2011, 2012, and 2014: the years where IK's balls stayed in the yard and made him one of the more serviceable middle-rotation pitchers in all of baseball. Theoretically, Kauffman Stadium should have been his Kingdome Come, and it's no wonder why the Royals front office was so routinely connected to him for years before he finally signed with KC.
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I bet the Cubs are glad they let Jason Hammel walk. The Royals coughed up a 16 million guaranteed contract and bought 53 Earned runs including 13 HRs in 17 games so far.

I am sure paying this guy 9 million next year to pitch batting practice will have a big influence on being able to sign Moose and Hos.

Our GM had a very bad offseason.
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I am sure paying this guy 9 million next year to pitch batting practice will have a big influence on being able to sign Moose and Hos.

Our GM had a very bad offseason.
I blame Yordano Venturas bad life decisions for that signing.....
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I blame Yordano Venturas bad life decisions for that signing.....
I still can't believe he is gone- such a senseless tragedy.

Any small choice that night would have changed everything.
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I bet the Cubs are glad they let Jason Hammel walk. The Royals coughed up a 16 million guaranteed contract and bought 53 Earned runs including 13 HRs in 17 games so far.

I am sure paying this guy 9 million next year to pitch batting practice will have a big influence on being able to sign Moose and Hos.

Our GM had a very bad offseason.

He got off to a bad start but has been very much what the team expected since June 1. He's not a frontline stud, but if he's a solid No.4/5 starter for the rest of his deal - what he's been of late - it's a perfectly acceptable deal.

The Moss signing has been a consistent disaster, but Hammel and even Wood don't fall into that category. Especially when the alternative is rocking Jake Junis or Skoglund as your fifth guy.


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I bet the Cubs are glad they let Jason Hammel walk. The Royals coughed up a 16 million guaranteed contract and bought 53 Earned runs including 13 HRs in 17 games so far.

I am sure paying this guy 9 million next year to pitch batting practice will have a big influence on being able to sign Moose and Hos.

Our GM had a very bad offseason.
Lol, they had no choice but to sign Hammel obviously.
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I bet the Cubs are glad they let Jason Hammel walk. The Royals coughed up a 16 million guaranteed contract and bought 53 Earned runs including 13 HRs in 17 games so far.

I am sure paying this guy 9 million next year to pitch batting practice will have a big influence on being able to sign Moose and Hos.

Our GM had a very bad offseason.
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I blame Yordano Venturas bad life decisions for that signing.....
We literally had NO other option.
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