****Official Chiefs Free Agents thread****

[BigRedChief]

Our Free Agents:

S Eric Berry
LB Derrick Johnson
CB Sean Smith
DT Jaye Howard
LB Tamba Hali
QB Chase Daniel
S Tyvon Branch
DE Mike DeVito
G Jeff Allen
S Husain Abdullah
WR Jason Avant
LB Frank Zombo
OT Donald Stephenson
CB Jamell Fleming
LB Dezman Moses

We supposedly have $31 million in cap space.

Chiefs Free Agent tracker
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...s-city-chiefs/

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Done deals:

Kelce signs 5 year extension, $46 million with $20.6 guarantee money.

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Rumors:

Howard contract discussions are fluid:
http://nfltraderumors.co/141573-2/

Berry having various discussion with the Chiefs:
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/ar...13067_20228983

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He didn't. The extension paid for itself by immediately reducing his base salary by the same amount of cap space we'll eat in dead money. With the roll-over provision, by reducing his base substantially and then not spending it, Dorsey essentially forward paid the ability to get out of the Grubbs deal with no damage done.

So even the extension came with a fair amount of forethought by Dorsey. He protected himself quite a bit there.

We had the cap space last year to burn. Now we will have to eat dead money next year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

RG and RT are up for competition and we need to add talent.

Why is RG up for competition?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

We had the cap space last year to burn. Now we will have to eat dead money next year.

But again, we cleared cap space that can now roll over into this year. And if not spent, it rolls into the following year, and on and on and on.

With the new rollover provisions there is never any benefit to front-loading a hit as you can roll unused space over into the following year without any penalty. So by saving $5 million on Grubbs base salary and freeing up that $5 million, we simply carry it into 2016.

There was no reason to accelerate the hit into 15 when the rollover allows you to forward pay it for '16.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why is RG up for competition?

because we have several guys that can play it and we don't know who is going to end up where.

If we keep Grubbs then Morse/Allen might compete for RG instead of LG.

If we don't sign a RT then Allen might move out to RT, but he might move to RG.

Reid was far better at RG than RT, so he might be there too.


LDT vs Reid vs Morse vs Allen


I realize that you're an expert at everything in the world. That you can sit in on the coaches meetings for the Chiefs, but we don't know what our Oline chart is going to look like next year yet.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

because we have several guys that can play it and we don't know who is going to end up where.

If we keep Grubbs then Morse/Allen might compete for RG instead of LG.

If we don't sign a RT then Allen might move out to RT, but he might move to RG.

Reid was far better at RG than RT, so he might be there too.


LDT vs Reid vs Morse vs Allen


I realize that you're an expert at everything in the world. That you can sit in on the coaches meetings for the Chiefs, but we don't know what our Oline chart is going to look like next year yet.

I wouldn't count on Allen being here next season.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But again, we cleared cap space that can now roll over into this year. And if not spent, it rolls into the following year, and on and on and on.

With the new rollover provisions there is never any benefit to front-loading a hit as you can roll unused space over into the following year without any penalty. So by saving $5 million on Grubbs base salary and freeing up that $5 million, we simply carry it into 2016.

There was no reason to accelerate the hit into 15 when the rollover allows you to forward pay it for '16.

Hope you are right.

we'll see what happens.

I doubt the Chiefs cut Grubbs unless they really did plan on using this rollover provision.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I wouldn't count on Allen being here next season.

agreed, it's why i listed guy to compete

we have no idea who is going to be on the roster or who is going to play where yet.

I don't think the Chiefs will pay to keep Allen unless he is cheap and after what he said about playing one spot and being on a SB team, i imagine he's gone.

Depends on so many factors that we just don't know yet

[RunKC]

We have a good foundation with 5 OL. Add one more starter and then a backup in the mid rounds.

The OL has the potential to be very good next year, and a big part of that is bc of continuity.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

because we have several guys that can play it and we don't know who is going to end up where.

If we keep Grubbs then Morse/Allen might compete for RG instead of LG.

If we don't sign a RT then Allen might move out to RT, but he might move to RG.

Reid was far better at RG than RT, so he might be there too.


LDT vs Reid vs Morse vs Allen


I realize that you're an expert at everything in the world. That you can sit in on the coaches meetings for the Chiefs, but we don't know what our Oline chart is going to look like next year yet.

Its seems to me that you're the expert. You know, since you've already mapped this out with Allen re-signing and everything else you've mentioned.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We have a good foundation with 5 OL. Add one more starter and then a backup in the mid rounds.

The OL has the potential to be very good next year, and a big part of that is bc of continuity.

I don't think there's even an average right tackle on the roster right now.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Its seems to me that you're the expert. You know, since you've already mapped this out with Allen re-signing and everything else you've mentioned.

No i didn't, in fact i have already said we don't know who is going to still be here.

I actually said in the post YOU QUOTED that we didn't know yet.


THAT'S WHY i listed so many options

For some reason you didn't like having options listed

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think there's even an average right tackle on the roster right now.

You are correct. I mentioned out of starter and I think that that position is what we should focus on

[The Franchise]

Pretty good article if you want to look at numbers.

I'll just quote some of the stuff that I found interesting.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e56257640.html


A look at the Chiefs’ top free agents

RE: Hali

Corry said Hali has four voidable years on his current contract, which means that if Hali retires, they will be hit with a $3 million cap charge. The Chiefs will be hit with the same charge if they fail to reach an extension. But the years don’t automatically void until March 4. Again, the franchise tag is not a realistic option.

“So if they can get a deal done with him,” Corry said, “they can convert the voidable years into real years.”

RE: Howard

But the transition tender is a little more palatable; it was $9.3 million a year ago.

A transition tag would allow Howard to negotiate a contract with any club and give the Chiefs the chance to match. Howard could test his worth on the market, maximize his value and give the Chiefs an outside chance at keeping a very strong interior defensive line together.

RE: Cuts or Restructuring

Decision time

The Chiefs can create cap room by cutting or restructuring the following players this offseason:

RB Jamaal Charles: The Chiefs’ running game came alive after Charles, 29, got hurt. They averaged 135.9 rushing yards per game — fifth in the league — in 11 regular-season games with Charcandrick West and Spencer Ware, compared with 122.2 per game in the previous 37 games with Charles shouldering the load. “He screams pay cut to me,” Corry said. “Older back, multiple ACL injuries.” Charles has a $2 million report-to-training camp bonus in July. Corry said the Chiefs, if they wanted to be cold-blooded, could ask him to give up the bonus or make him earn it through incentives. “If you got rid of the $2 million reporting bonus, that takes $2 million off the cap and you can turn it into an incentive package,” Corry said.

G Ben Grubbs: Grubbs, 31, missed the last half of the season because of a neck injury. If he retires, the Chiefs are hit with a cap charge of $4.2 million. His 2016 cap number is $6.3 million, but they can save $2.1 million by releasing him. They could also save by restructuring him. “He was making a ton of money in New Orleans, so you’ve got to hope he’s a guy who says I’ve made a ton of money, I’m willing to work with the team a little bit,” Corry said.

Looking ahead

The following players have interesting cap situations that need to be monitored:

TE Travis Kelce: Kelce, 26, is under contract for 2016 with a cap hit of a little under $1 million. But as one of the league’s top tight ends, a big-time payday is coming. “He’s thinking (Jacksonville’s) Julius Thomas makes $9 million a year, can’t stay healthy,” Corry said. “He’s looking at $9 million or more because that market is going to change, since (Washington’s) Jordan Reed and (Philadelphia’s) Zach Ertz are going to get paid.” The Chiefs could also put a franchise tag on Kelce next year, but the price will be around $9.5 million.

T Eric Fisher: The Chiefs have until May 3 to execute the fifth-year option on Fisher, which Corry suspects will be anywhere between $11.5 million and $12 million for 2017. The option is guaranteed for injury, so if Fisher, 25, doesn’t get hurt, the Chiefs could cut him any time until the first day of the new league year in March 2017 and eliminate the cap charge.

DT Dontari Poe: The Chiefs exercised Poe’s fifth-year option last year, which carries a 2016 cap hit of about $6.1 million. But in March 2017, Corry believes Poe, 25, will be looking to get paid after Buffalo gave Marcell Dareus almost $16 million a year and $60 million guaranteed. “Anyone who wants to get paid as a defensive lineman needs to be able to put consistent pressure on a quarterback,” Corry said. “I don’t think (Poe) will get Dareus money, but it’s going to be a $10 million-per-year deal or more.” Poe had only one sack this year, but he played through back issues. The previous two years, he recorded 10 1/2 sacks combined.

[RunKC]

Transition tag is a good idea for Howard, but I'd be surprised if him or Smith didn't take a high contract with other teams

[Sofa King]

How the **** are we going to afford all these guys the next couple years.