Talking Draft Prospects - Page 26

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

Spoiler!

O.city · 01-10-2015, 08:53 PM

Just watching kuechly and Wagner make me jealous.

kccrow · 01-10-2015, 08:56 PM

I know he's had some injuries in his career, but I like Texas LB Jordan Hicks in the mid rounds, maybe round 4.

Saccopoo · 01-10-2015, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Just watching kuechly and Wagner make me jealous.

Bobby Wagner is an absolute stud. Most underrated defensive player in the NFL IMO.

O.city · 01-10-2015, 09:01 PM

We need to get athletic at ilb

RunKC · 01-10-2015, 10:31 PM

Only ILB I would draft rd 1 is Shaq Thompson. Kendricks or Perryman early rd 2 in a trade up if we really want them

O.city · 01-10-2015, 10:43 PM

He's pretty small for an ilb, no?

Direckshun · 01-10-2015, 11:45 PM

Honestly, I was a big Perryman guy until I watched Paul Dawson single handedly destroy Mississippi State.

The way Dawson played was Derrick Johnson-esque. He's exactly what we need.

Direckshun · 01-10-2015, 11:51 PM

And yes, Shaq Thompson doesn't fit our defense.

Direckshun · 01-10-2015, 11:59 PM

The draft chat in this thread (and forum) is top notch right now, guys. Well done.

Saccopoo · 01-11-2015, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Honestly, I was a big Perryman guy until I watched Paul Dawson single handedly destroy Mississippi State.

The way Dawson played was Derrick Johnson-esque. He's exactly what we need.

I thought he was impressive as shit against Ole Miss, but that was such a flukey lopsided win I didn't really give enough credit to what Dawson did in that game. I just watched a couple of other TCU games and come to this conclusion:

You win.

I just watched the first three TCU defensive snaps from the TCU/Texas game and I'm blown away. Dude is absolutely fierce. Dawson was singlehandedly ****ing Texas up, much in the same way he did Ole Miss.

The Derrick Johnson comparison is a fair one.

And he doesn't play OLB. He's playing the rover ILB position for Dick Bumpas' 4-2-5 defense. He's definitely an ILB and looks like he could carry a lot more weight to play in a 34.

Direckshun · 01-11-2015, 01:18 AM

Close down the thread, ladies & gents.

jonzie04 · 01-11-2015, 01:27 AM

Dawson is a heatseeking missile. I do worry though about him in our scheme though. Hes not a very big, or strong dude, he has great speed and instincts but once a tackle gets locked on to him he is absolutely done. It doesnt happen often given their defensive scheme, and the caliber of of players theyre playing, but an NFL level lineman is going to get their hands on him often in a 3-4, and i'm not sure how effective he'll be. He looks like a great 4-3 prospect though.

Saccopoo · 01-11-2015, 02:05 AM

Seriously...I got a little chub watching Dawson. Total impact player.

I'd have a hard time choosing between him or Ole Miss safety Cody Prewitt in the second round.

The Chiefs already have a pretty stout line in front of the backers and with Sutton running sub-packages all the time, we're pretty much running a version of the 4-2-5 anyway with Houston and Hali as the two front guys after Poe and Bailey. I know what you are saying jonzie about a traditional 34 alignment, but considering what Sutton put out on the field in 2014, I think Dawson would really play well in this scheme.

Shit! Prewitt or Dawson...

shit, shit, shit, shit...

O.city · 01-11-2015, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

Dawson is a heatseeking missile. I do worry though about him in our scheme though. Hes not a very big, or strong dude, he has great speed and instincts but once a tackle gets locked on to him he is absolutely done. It doesnt happen often given their defensive scheme, and the caliber of of players theyre playing, but an NFL level lineman is going to get their hands on him often in a 3-4, and i'm not sure how effective he'll be. He looks like a great 4-3 prospect though.

We need force Ness and athleticism at the ilb spot.

The things he can't do, can be taught imo

Saccopoo · 01-11-2015, 02:38 AM

The thing to consider is what type of safety is going to be there in the later rounds if you go with Dawson in the second versus Prewitt, or if you go with Prewitt, what type of ILB is going to be there later. They have to have both in this draft. First rounder has to be a dominant OL guy who can potentially play/start at four spots (both tackle and guard positions). I like Collins from LSU in that role. But after that, we've got to address ILB, S, WR.

I think I'd still take Prewitt in the second and then Terrance Plummer, ILB Central Florida later in the draft. Plummer plays a similar position for the Knights and, like Dawson, makes a ton of impact plays.

I just don't think that there is a guy like Prewitt in this draft and he's excelled at the single high safety role for the Rebels his whole career.

Direckshun, watch Plummer and see if you don't see the same type of player that Dawson is:

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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01-10-2015, 08:53 PM	#376
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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $2957078	I know he's had some injuries in his career, but I like Texas LB Jordan Hicks in the mid rounds, maybe round 4.
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01-10-2015, 09:01 PM	#379
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01-10-2015, 10:43 PM	#381
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2434064	He's pretty small for an ilb, no?
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01-10-2015, 11:45 PM	#382
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Honestly, I was a big Perryman guy until I watched Paul Dawson single handedly destroy Mississippi State. The way Dawson played was Derrick Johnson-esque. He's exactly what we need.
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01-10-2015, 11:51 PM	#383
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	And yes, Shaq Thompson doesn't fit our defense.
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01-10-2015, 11:59 PM	#384
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	The draft chat in this thread (and forum) is top notch right now, guys. Well done.
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01-11-2015, 01:18 AM	#386
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Close down the thread, ladies & gents.
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01-11-2015, 01:27 AM	#387
jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5756817	Dawson is a heatseeking missile. I do worry though about him in our scheme though. Hes not a very big, or strong dude, he has great speed and instincts but once a tackle gets locked on to him he is absolutely done. It doesnt happen often given their defensive scheme, and the caliber of of players theyre playing, but an NFL level lineman is going to get their hands on him often in a 3-4, and i'm not sure how effective he'll be. He looks like a great 4-3 prospect though.
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01-11-2015, 02:05 AM	#388
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Seriously...I got a little chub watching Dawson. Total impact player. I'd have a hard time choosing between him or Ole Miss safety Cody Prewitt in the second round. The Chiefs already have a pretty stout line in front of the backers and with Sutton running sub-packages all the time, we're pretty much running a version of the 4-2-5 anyway with Houston and Hali as the two front guys after Poe and Bailey. I know what you are saying jonzie about a traditional 34 alignment, but considering what Sutton put out on the field in 2014, I think Dawson would really play well in this scheme. Shit! Prewitt or Dawson... shit, shit, shit, shit...
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01-11-2015, 02:38 AM	#390
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	The thing to consider is what type of safety is going to be there in the later rounds if you go with Dawson in the second versus Prewitt, or if you go with Prewitt, what type of ILB is going to be there later. They have to have both in this draft. First rounder has to be a dominant OL guy who can potentially play/start at four spots (both tackle and guard positions). I like Collins from LSU in that role. But after that, we've got to address ILB, S, WR. I think I'd still take Prewitt in the second and then Terrance Plummer, ILB Central Florida later in the draft. Plummer plays a similar position for the Knights and, like Dawson, makes a ton of impact plays. I just don't think that there is a guy like Prewitt in this draft and he's excelled at the single high safety role for the Rebels his whole career. Direckshun, watch Plummer and see if you don't see the same type of player that Dawson is:
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