Chiefs Should the Chiefs have drafted Aaron Rodgers over Derrick Johnson? - Page 26

Deberg_1990 · 08-11-2008, 08:00 PM

Would we have been in a better position now???

Rodgers would have gotten to learn from Trent Green a few years....

Hmmmm....thoughts to ponder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft

**Ming the Merciless** · 11-07-2011, 10:39 AM

With Hindsight, of course.

Thats not to say anything bad about DJ, he has developed into a STUD player......Its just that Rodgers is a STUD QB , and looks like he will be in that elite beast mode for 10 years.

suds79 · 11-07-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yes because the NFL was never about the QB until only 5 or 6 years ago.

Signed, the 1990's Chiefs

Don't get me wrong. The QB has always been the most important position on the field for a long time but there were other ways to win a SB.

Take the Bucs in 2003 as an example. So yes, I'd say the change is about as recent as 5-6 years ago.

I don't know what you're looking for people to say with posing this very easy question. Yes we all wish they would have taken Aaron Rogers who is now the game's best QB. Obviously.

KCrockaholic · 11-07-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

that first round sucked. DJ may be the 2nd best player drafted. Either him or Demarcus Ware.

Are you seriously questioning that Derrick might be better than Ware? I hope not.

Oh and I haven't posted in this massive thread yet, but I'd take Aaron Rodgers every time if we could go back and do that draft again. He's the best QB in the NFL.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-07-2011, 11:02 AM

I love revisionist history.

Would I love to have Rodgers now? Absolutely. Although, he probably isn't the same QB for the Chiefs that he is for Green Bay. He had a few years to sit and the Packers worked on his mechanics relentlessly. He has a different release than when he came out of college.

Chiefs had Trent Green go down the following year, so Rodgers may just have been another Jim Tedford QB bust.

Oh, and that reminds me why he slid as far as he did. Rodgers was the fifth QB coached by Tedford to go in the first round. He is the ONLY one that has been elite in the NFL. The second best QB coached by Tedford? Dilfer. Oh, and add in guys like Boller, Akili Smith and Joey Harrington. Oooh.... some, great NFL pedigrees there, huh?

So, looking back, I am still not sure I would want Rodgers only because I don't know that we have had the consistency on the coaching staff that helped him develope into an elite player. This guy wasn't NFL ready coming out and was a project.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-07-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't think you'll ever see a potential 1st overall pick at QB fall that far again.

Well, with the new rookie salary cap rules and slotting, I agree. There is much less of a risk to take a QB early. If it fails, it won't set the franchise back years like it used to.

But, a mere two years after Rodgers, Quinn dropped. He was also a 'possible' #1 pick. The reality is that under the old rules, it was most often better to draft a guy with a higher floor than a higher ceiling if you had any doubt at all.

I am very happy for the new rookie wage scale and slotting system, becuase I think it will make for better drafts overall.

L.A. Chieffan · 11-07-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I love revisionist history.

Would I love to have Rodgers now? Absolutely. Although, he probably isn't the same QB for the Chiefs that he is for Green Bay. He had a few years to sit and the Packers worked on his mechanics relentlessly. He has a different release than when he came out of college.

Chiefs had Trent Green go down the following year, so Rodgers may just have been another Jim Tedford QB bust.

Oh, and that reminds me why he slid as far as he did. Rodgers was the fifth QB coached by Tedford to go in the first round. He is the ONLY one that has been elite in the NFL. The second best QB coached by Tedford? Dilfer. Oh, and add in guys like Boller, Akili Smith and Joey Harrington. Oooh.... some, great NFL pedigrees there, huh?

So, looking back, I am still not sure I would want Rodgers only because I don't know that we have had the consistency on the coaching staff that helped him develope into an elite player. This guy wasn't NFL ready coming out and was a project.

totally, its like when we drafted tyson jackson. ANY team in our position would have done the same exact thing. jackson was THE next sure thing. NOBODY could have known he might be a bust at the time.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-07-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

totally, its like when we drafted tyson jackson. ANY team in our position would have done the same exact thing. jackson was THE next sure thing. NOBODY could have known he might be a bust at the time.

Not sure I agree with that. I didn't love the pick at the time.

He has actually improved a good bit this year. Not enough to justify where he was drafted, but at least a solid starter.

L.A. Chieffan · 11-07-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Not sure I agree with that. I didn't love the pick at the time.

He has actually improved a good bit this year. Not enough to justify where he was drafted, but at least a solid starter.

youre just a dumb ****ing mark sanchez lover and not a real fan then i guess...

sedated · 11-07-2011, 11:19 AM

this thread is completely stupid.

If someone, anyone, legitimately wanted Rodgers before, during, or within 2 years of the 2005 draft, lets see the proof. Chiefs fans were pretty much cuming in their pants after DJ fell to us.

**The Franchise** · 11-07-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

this thread is completely stupid.

If someone, anyone, legitimately wanted Rodgers before, during, or within 2 years of the 2005 draft, lets see the proof. Chiefs fans were pretty much cuming in their pants after DJ fell to us.

Pretty much this.

I flipped out when they took DJ.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-07-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

youre just a dumb ****ing mark sanchez lover and not a real fan then i guess...

Okay, I don't pay enough attention to who posts what.... so this 'may' be sarcasm....if so, bravo.

If not, then you should know that I don't want Sanchez anymore than I want to wreck my car.

I would have been fine with Stafford or Freeman. Freeman is a project, but has more upside than Sanchez.

Deberg_1990 · 11-07-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

this thread is completely stupid.

If someone, anyone, legitimately wanted Rodgers before, during, or within 2 years of the 2005 draft, lets see the proof. Chiefs fans were pretty much cuming in their pants after DJ fell to us.

Id have to find the 05 draft thread, and I'm not sure I ever posted it but when Rodgers fell, I did want us to take him. He was pretty well thought of that year. It's not like he was a Tom Brady afterthought type. Regardless, at least the chiefs didn't blow the pick like the vikes and raiders did.
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sedated · 11-07-2011, 11:49 AM

1 San Francisco 49ers Alex Smith QB Utah
2 Miami Dolphins Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
3 Cleveland Browns Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
4 Chicago Bears Cedric Benson RB Texas
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
6 Tennessee Titans Pacman Jones CB West Virginia
7 Minnesota Vikings Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
8 Arizona Cardinals Antrel Rolle DB Miami (Fla.)
9 Washington Redskins Carlos Rogers DB Auburn
10 Detroit Lions Mike Williams WR USC
11 Dallas Cowboys DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy State
12 San Diego Chargers Shawne "roidman" Merriman OLB Maryland
13 New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown T Oklahoma
14 Carolina Panthers Thomas Davis DB Georgia
15 Kansas City Chiefs Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
16 Houston Texans Travis Johnson DT Florida State
17 Cincinnati Bengals David Pollack LB Georgia
18 Minnesota Vikings Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
19 St. Louis Rams Alex Barron T Florida State
20 Dallas Cowboys Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Matt Jones WR Arkansas
22 Baltimore Ravens Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
23 Oakland Raiders Fabian Washington CB Nebraska
24 Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers QB California
25 Washington Redskins Jason Campbell QB Auburn
26 Seattle Seahawks Chris Spencer C Mississippi
27 Atlanta Falcons Roddy White WR Alabama-Birmingham
28 San Diego Chargers Luis Castillo DE Northwestern
29 Indianapolis Colts Marlin Jackson DB Michigan
30 Pittsburgh Steelers Heath Miller TE Virginia
31 Philadelphia Eagles Mike Patterson DT USC
32 New England Patriots Logan Mankins G Fresno State

While the pessimists may lament not taking the best player in the draft, we could have done much worse.

**The Franchise** · 11-07-2011, 11:50 AM

Good God the top 10 sucked.

sedated · 11-07-2011, 12:15 PM

That whole first round was down compared to other years. How many consistent pro-bowl/HOF level guys were picked?

DeMarcus Ware, Aaron Rodgers, and Roddy White were the clear winners, while DJ, Logan Mankins, Heath Miller, Luis Castillo, Carlos Rogers, and Cedric Benson make up the 2nd tier, and some of those guys weren't worth the pick that got 'em.

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