Chiefs Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on. - Page 26

Hammock Parties · 02:56 AM

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

Messier · 08-10-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Gannon was a good improviser.

The only time the play broke down Alex scrambled for a 1 yard loss. People around here compare everyone to Gannon.

Yeah that never happened to Gannon I'm sure. Every play that broke down he'd work a little Gannon magic. Who are all these people getting compared to Gannon?

Dinny Bossa Nova · 08-10-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

No, he's fine. X-Rays were negative.

Geno did better than I expected for his first pro game. Well done, young man.

How did he do on third downs? How far did his passes travel through the air? What were your expectations for Geno in this game that he was able to meet?

Give us some deets, man. The 411. Some sterling anaysis. You know, the stuff the rest of us don't know that you are always talking about.

A translation of PFF's stuff on this game would be swell, as well. I don't really know what I'm looking at when I log in to PFF, that's why I am so dependent on your insight.

TIA

Dinny

Halfcan · 08-10-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yes, I understand that the Chiefs are going to have to use more of the intermediate passing game.

It was one drive where Alex took what the defense gave him and it was 7 points. That's what it is.

I want him to take what he is being given rather than throwing into triple coverage.

This!

It gave me hope that this team might actual be able to run a 2 minute drill when we need it- since most plays on the drive were no huddle.

The contract to Chase looks pretty dumb though- Brady Quit Jr. not impressed at all. The Ricky to Rico combo looks deadly though- lol

O.city · 08-10-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I think you are failing to understand the concept of the west coast system. It's about the accurate short to intermediary game spread out to multiple receivers and backs. It's also the concept utilized in the Spread systems that Ault and Meyer pioneered in college that basically has dominated that level.

The defense can "stack the box" all they like, the offense is set to have enough options that the defense can adjust to all of them.

It's why Reid coveted Smith in free agency. A guy who is very accurate, doesn't put the ball into the defenses hands and is smart so that he can pick up and understand the playbook and implement it in a game time situation.

It's about taking what the defense gives you. Don't think that one single drive in the first preseason game which was designed as "vanilla" that didn't have a pass longer than eight yards means that you aren't going to see deeper passes thrown for the rest of the year. You will. But they will be there when they are available.

If you want to see bombing with regularity, become a Lions fan. Both Stafford and Johnson are in the league leaders in yardage and the ball goes downfield often. However, they continue to pick in the top five in the Draft every single year.

Personally, I'm ready to start seeing some checkmarks in the win column with a regular shot at the playoffs each season. If that means a controlled, calculated offense that is based on ball control, time of possession and high accuracy, low risk passing, then that's what I want.

And I don't think that anyone should complain about Reid trying to get the ball into Charles and Bowes hands a lot versus trying to throw downfield all game long to Baldwin and Avery.

I understand that just fine, but all I'm saying is that you can't live all year throwing it less than 8 yards in the air like we saw last night.

And as I've said in every post, we won't see that all year. You eventually have to spread defenses out on the back end to open up some lanes

Ace Gunner · 08-10-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Not sure how anyone can bitch about a 14 play, 6 plus minute touchdown drive...

and this is another aspect snivelers are lost on -- this offense is a ball control offense.

O.city · 08-10-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I'm sure you understand that when they clamp down on the short routes the longer stuff will open up then we are all good.

Yes, for Christ sake, as I've said in every post I've made on the subject.

Geez, I make a post stating that we won't see all year what we saw last night and I get furiously attacked.

If you can't understand what I was saying, I guess that's on you

Messier · 08-10-2013, 08:42 AM

Team will start to try and take the short passing game away. That'll leave the middle open for intermediate routes. I think this is a good game plan that can work.

Marcellus · 08-10-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, for Christ sake, as I've said in every post I've made on the subject.

Geez, I make a post stating that we won't see all year what we saw last night and I get furiously attacked.

If you can't understand what I was saying, I guess that's on you

Not sure what you mean but OK.

No attack meant dude.

ChiefRocka · 08-10-2013, 08:43 AM

If the O can hang onto the ball thanthe defense alone will win 5 games this season barring injuries.

Ace Gunner · 08-10-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, for Christ sake, as I've said in every post I've made on the subject.

Geez, I make a post stating that we won't see all year what we saw last night and I get furiously attacked.

If you can't understand what I was saying, I guess that's on you

are you one of those saying AS can't throw a 35 yard pass? ya. then shut the hell up and wait for the real games, because we are all ****ing tired of reading that garbage.

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 08-10-2013, 08:47 AM

Geno/Alex, Sanchez/Cassel. I fear it's the same shit 4 seasons apart. Jets/Chiefs QB losers.

O.city · 08-10-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

are you one of those saying AS can't throw a 35 yard pass? ya. then shut the hell up and wait for the real games, because we are all ****ing tired of reading that garbage.

Um, no.

WhiteWhale · 08-10-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Yeah that never happened to Gannon I'm sure. Every play that broke down he'd work a little Gannon magic.

That's what I said. Exactly. Word for word. Is anyone on this site capable of reading comprehension or do you all just take a comment and then sarcastically stretch it into something your feeble brain can argue against?

On one play that broke down Alex lost a yard. Small sample size. What, in that singular play, makes him comparable to Gannon? Hmmm? When you make a claim, the onus is on YOU to support it.

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Originally Posted by Messier

Who are all these people getting compared to Gannon?

It's what people say about any QB who has decent mobility and a weak arm. I heard the 'Cassel can't be Manning, but he can be Gannon' shit for 4 years. I guess my lack of a gannon induced boner jades my opinion on this compliment.

O.city · 08-10-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Team will start to try and take the short passing game away. That'll leave the middle open for intermediate routes. I think this is a good game plan that can work.

Yes, this.

Go watch the pats or the broncos offense. They'll take their occasional deep shot but like us, we'll live in the intermediate zones for our "deep" balls

Jersey49chief · 08-10-2013, 08:50 AM

Pretty good question!! It reminds me of when Smith was drafted by SF.

I think the niners had tim rattay, and the team was shitty then.

A few HC's later, finally found one that had an offensive mind, and actually played the position himself.

Something tells me if Sanchez starts this season, and they have a losing record, and they make the switch to Geno that Ryan will be let go.

Then there will be another HC, with his own offense or defensive mind. Which in some cases, will set a QB back. Especially a rookie trying to grasp the current offense.

So as a result, I have to say (Alex will win more in the next 5 years.....)

Some people dont want to admit it, but you need a defense that can help keep you in the game. You need a few weapons other than the qb to throw too, you need a run game to at least take some of the pressure off of the passing game.

The Packers have recently has been looking for a running game, and to beef up the defense, as well as the Saints. It goes to show that having to score 35pts a game is great if your blowing a team out, but if your defense it continously failing, you have to tighten up that aspect of the game as well.

Not all about the Qb. What help makes the Qb successful, is the working parts around him on all three phases of the game. And I feel we are definitely a few steps ahead of the Jets.

****Its also funny with the results as 73% feel Smith, but in reading a lot of these posts you would think otherwise. ironic even. ****

View Poll Results: Who will win more games in the next five years?
Geno Smith	81	19.29%
Alex Smith	339	80.71%
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Jersey49chief Rookie Join Date: May 2013 Location: Jersey Casino cash: $10004900	Pretty good question!! It reminds me of when Smith was drafted by SF. I think the niners had tim rattay, and the team was shitty then. A few HC's later, finally found one that had an offensive mind, and actually played the position himself. Something tells me if Sanchez starts this season, and they have a losing record, and they make the switch to Geno that Ryan will be let go. Then there will be another HC, with his own offense or defensive mind. Which in some cases, will set a QB back. Especially a rookie trying to grasp the current offense. So as a result, I have to say (Alex will win more in the next 5 years.....) Some people dont want to admit it, but you need a defense that can help keep you in the game. You need a few weapons other than the qb to throw too, you need a run game to at least take some of the pressure off of the passing game. The Packers have recently has been looking for a running game, and to beef up the defense, as well as the Saints. It goes to show that having to score 35pts a game is great if your blowing a team out, but if your defense it continously failing, you have to tighten up that aspect of the game as well. Not all about the Qb. What help makes the Qb successful, is the working parts around him on all three phases of the game. And I feel we are definitely a few steps ahead of the Jets. **Its also funny with the results as 73% feel Smith, but in reading a lot of these posts you would think otherwise. ironic even. **
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