Game of Thrones Thread

[BigRedChief]

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[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

It's based on the war of the roses but I'm not sure how the ending would work in relation to real world history. Elizabeth I would be, what, two generations later? If he ends it directly following history then we'd need in-show equivalents for Edward IV and Elizabeth of York, the queen consort. Maybe a victorious Jon Targaryen marrying Myrcella Lannister, had they not poisoned her.

Speaking of Myrcella, she disappeared like a fart in the wind. Did her parents even give a shit that she was murdered? I don't remember much wailing happening after Jamie returned.

I understand, but it isn't a direct echo. Like the formation the Boltons used at the end of the last episode was made famous by Hannibal. Even Aegon the Conqueror is an echo to William the Conqueror. I didn't mean to imply it is a fantasy retelling of an historical event, but that he uses historical events to give his fantasy world depth and familiarity.

[keg in kc]

I wouldn't assume we'll see that formation reflected in the books. I think that was more along the lines of visual storytelling and a chance to see Jon reborn a second time. I assume the book telling will be different. Plus Ramsay himself's also a different character in the books.

(Just pointing that out in the context of historical references used by grrm - or in this case maybe not used by grrm....)

It's hard to tell where he's going in any case. I thought for a while Jon might be a new Night's King, connecting him to an ancestor (Brandon Stark, if Old Nan was to be believed - one way the show has widely diverged from the book...) and that Dany was Azor Ahai, and there we'd get our ice and fire, but now who knows...

Hopefully tomorrow night gives us some clues.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

It's based on the war of the roses but I'm not sure how the ending would work in relation to real world history. Elizabeth I would be, what, two generations later? If he ends it directly following history then we'd need in-show equivalents of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York, the queen consort. Maybe a victorious Jon Targaryen marrying Myrcella Lannister, had they not poisoned her.

Speaking of Myrcella, she disappeared like a fart in the wind. Did her parents even give a shit that she was murdered? I don't remember much wailing happening after Jamie returned.

Had that occurred, there would be plenty of bitching about it: "We get it, they're sad and angry."

I feel they did a good job of relaying it without bogging it down; Jaime has gone to Riverrun to get the castle back, determined to get back to Cersei and Cersei was served a nice slice of humble pie. She is now refusing to leave the Capital, since her last living child is now under the influence of the High Sparrow, even though she is surrounded by people that hate her.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Had that occurred, there would be plenty of bitching about it: "We get it, they're sad and angry."

I feel they did a good job of relaying it without bogging it down; Jaime has gone to Riverrun to get the castle back, determined to get back to Cersei and Cersei was served a nice slice of humble pie. She is now refusing to leave the Capital, since her last living child is now under the influence of the High Sparrow, even though she is surrounded by people that hate her.

Well, a resurgent North would probably be a bigger threat than Dorne whose army hasn't moved out of Dorne.

I am thinking the Lannisters and Freys meeting is the Freys getting very scared now that the Starks have retaken the North and are allied with the Vale.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Had that occurred, there would be plenty of bitching about it: "We get it, they're sad and angry."

I feel they did a good job of relaying it without bogging it down; Jaime has gone to Riverrun to get the castle back, determined to get back to Cersei and Cersei was served a nice slice of humble pie. She is now refusing to leave the Capital, since her last living child is now under the influence of the High Sparrow, even though she is surrounded by people that hate her.

What does any of that have to do with their daughter being murdered by a major house?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

What does any of that have to do with their daughter being murdered by a major house?

That's my point. Poisoned in Dorne, an area they already hate, and...nothing. It could even be considered an act of war.

The lack of reaction has been unbelievably out t of character for cersei. She didn't want her to go in the first place. She was afraid this would happen. And... nothing.

Remember Joffrey's poisoning? This is the same woman? The same family?

It's like DnD forgot it even happened with everything else going on.

[keg in kc]

Hell, come to think of it, once Dr. bashir got knifed, it's like Dorne itself vanished, too.

[RustShack]

Does Sansa marry Littlefinger?

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Hell, come to think of it, once Dr. bashir got knifed, it's like Dorne itself vanished, too.

Good. Dorne is my least favorite part of both the show and the books.

Cersei's been a bit distracted. Not much she can do when she's trapped in the red keep and is at the whims of the HS and Tommen.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Hell, come to think of it, once Dr. bashir got knifed, it's like Dorne itself vanished, too.

D&D saw how horrible anything Dorn was in their TV version of GOT and conveniently forgot that it even existed.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Good. Dorne is my least favorite part of both the show and the books.

Cersei's been a bit distracted. Not much she can do when she's trapped in the red keep and is at the whims of the HS and Tommen.

But they ****ed up an already arguably slow part of the story. Not including Darkstar and the way Aero Hotah went out just makes it that much worse.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Good. Dorne is my least favorite part of both the show and the books.

Cersei's been a bit distracted. Not much she can do when she's trapped in the red keep and is at the whims of the HS and Tommen.

I knew somebody would say that, and it's pretty lame as far as justifications go. What you're saying is that she's too distracted to give a shit about the death of her one and only daughter. Even Cercei isn't that self-absorbed.

In any case, it's not really about Cercei - it's just bad writing. They dropped the ball. Initially by killing her in the first place for what had to be shock value and then later by going nowhere with it. Just pointless.

But hey, if that's the worst thing I can point to during the season, things are going pretty well...

And yes, I think it was worse than everything with Arya. Mainly because I liked everything with Arya.

I liked Dorne. At least in the books. Aside from Oberon they've pretty much screwed that all up on the show. I certainly liked it more than anything with Daenerys in Mereen, although maybe Winds of Winter will do the second siege justice.

[Bowser]

I think they were painted into a corner stating that only 13 episodes would be made after this season, so they cut the fat where they thought they should. Of all the storylines currently in progress on the tv show, Dorne was the weak link.

And hey, we don't know what is going to happen in the finale. Cersei might blow up King's Landing and send for Jaime to invade Dorne with the Lannister and Frey armies. Or Dany will show up with her ass kicker horde looking to strike a deal with Dorne. Literally anything can happen.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

What does any of that have to do with their daughter being murdered by a major house?

Did you not see the area I highlighted, thus demonstrating where my reply was targeted?

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

I know the TV series doesn't follow the books exactly, but that Martin did divulge the overall arc of the series to them. Martin's style is that he likes to echo actual historical people and events. Could Dany be his Queen Elizabeth, the "Virgin Queen" married to England, bringer of their Golden Age?

Maybe Euron/Whitewalkers will double as the Spanish Armada?

Heck, with Dany coming up from the South, the sheer size of The North, and well her inexperience with winter. If she invaded the North they could simply scorch Earth and retreat until her army is weak from starvation and cold then attack. It would be like the Battle of Poltava.