KU ***** Official 2017-2018 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ***** - Page 251

saphojunkie · 09:44 AM

**** the elite 8. Final Four or bust, baby.

Will update as people declare for the draft/transfer/commit

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**Bearcat** · 03-26-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

It also took some luck. We are pretty damned lucky that Greyson Allen didn’t hit one of the 2 last shots he took. They were decent looks and he’s typically not going to miss 2 out of 2 in that situation.

Thank ****ing Christ he did but yeah. That was a good bounce.

Kansas also missed 2 or 3 open threes in the last couple minutes. And it would have been one thing for Duke to win on the last shot, but when it was obvious he was going to take the shot... my neighbors' neighbors might have heard me when that didn't fall.

It's been a while since I've been that pumped up at the end of a game... probably since that Michigan tournament game or the previous year when they beat UNC to get to the Final Four and then OSU in the FF.

big nasty kcnut · 03-26-2018, 10:19 AM

Sometime it's better to be lucky then good.

**SuperChief** · 03-26-2018, 10:24 AM

Mass St. was indeed nuts after the game. I watched at Liberty Hall (which was SO fun), and as soon as the game ended, the masses were on the street. North Mass crowd started going south, then what appeared to be a huge crowd from the Granada area started coming north. The meeting in the middle was rowdy!

**BigRedChief** · 03-26-2018, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

It also took some luck. We are pretty damned lucky that Greyson Allen didn’t hit one of the 2 last shots he took. They were decent looks and he’s typically not going to miss 2 out of 2 in that situation.

Thank ****ing Christ he did but yeah. That was a good bounce.

Sure, luck and bounce of the ball plays a part in all close games. Svi missed 3 wide open 3’s late in the game before the last one in regulation. You could say we left 9 points off the board there.

O.city · 03-26-2018, 10:33 AM

Eh, missing open shots isn't exactly leaving points on the board.

Missing an open layup maybe.

KU played really awesome on the defensive end though, and Self really outcoached K.

Malik Newman Yay · 03-26-2018, 10:39 AM

Here's the issue with KCC and Kenpom and basically KCC (plus Prison Bitch) and advanced analytics in general :

KU is graded based off a rolling 37 game sample size and doesn't take into account Malik Newman has been the best player in the country for about 7 games. Before that, he was ... not this guy. Since the start of the Big 12 tournament, he is suddenly Kemba Walker. The guy is everything Andrew Wiggins and Ben McLemore weren't for KU when elimination games started. Wiggins' wanted nothing to do with the 'big moment', whereas Newman wants everyone to get the **** out of the way. Hell, Devonte Graham tried to throw the game away in overtime with that ridiculous pass to De'Souza (why? why? Why even try that?) and his missed front end of the 1 and 1.

Speaking of De'Souza - yep, again, Kenpom only has about a 7 game sample size of him, as well - so KU is graded on a curve that doesn't recognize the emergence of Malik Newman, superstar and De'Souza, 5 quality fouls, high energy guy who is a better defensive rebounder and presence than Azubuike.

Thus, the Kenpom ratings on KU are EXTREMELY flawed.

Even with all of that, according to the research, KU was 36% to win - people are acting like that is some sort of 'hail mary' - do any of you play poker? That's basically 7 8 offsuit against AK suited - who cares? It's barely anything. KU were 3 point dogs playing essentially in front of a home crowd - they outplayed Duke the entire game and almost lost entirely due to missed shots down the stretch.

The problem with KCC is this is the card he always plays - it's the, "well we have no shot based off the numbers so of course we're going to most likely lose, that's just common sense, because this, this and this" leaving him always open for the, "well yeah, we won because Bill Self is a great coach and KU hit shots!"

I'm right with him on LeBron, but he does it with LeBron every year - LeBron can never win because his team is never that good - but LeBron is so good that if they win, it's always because LeBron is the best. Prison Bitch does the exact opposite - he never makes a prediction, but waits for the 'crash and burn', so that he can blame Bill Self or Eric Hosmer or Alex Gordon on why everything crashed and burned. But hey, if they win it all, PB can just make fun of KCC because PB also never makes any predictions, just trolls on the side to rile everyone up.

Pretty dumb.

Either way - I thought Duke would probably win, but I figured if Malik kept playing like the best player in the tournament, KU could beat anybody.

Malik is 1 more big game against Nova from playing himself from a no-brainer back at KU next year to a top 20 pick - he might have already done it. Hopefully KU gets a National Championship out of this, but you can kiss Newman goodbye.

Newman is the most clutch KU player I've seen since Chalmers - and even Chalmers only made 1 shot. Newman is everything Andrew Wiggins wasn't. Wiggins had no heart. Newman is all heart. You gonna bet against KU with Newman playing like this? I'm not.

O.city · 03-26-2018, 10:44 AM

And.........Hooties back.

Malik Newman Yay · 03-26-2018, 10:44 AM

KU will win this tournament because this tournament is always won by the best guard with the most heart when one emerges - there is nobody else left that is playing at Malik Newman's level - he's doing exactly what Kemba Walker did in 2011.

Malik is going to go down as a KU icon when he pulls this off - I expect more heroics from #14 Saturday.

Malik Newman Yay · 03-26-2018, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And.........Hooties back.

Just to quickly put KCC back in his place - using Kenpom that takes into account the first 30 games from Newman this year is just ... funny.

What other team left in the final 16 had a guy who suddenly went from option 4 to the best player on the team deadly from behind the arc with a knack for performing in the clutch?

The fact none of you could point that out makes me sad for this board.

O.city · 03-26-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Malik Newman Yay

Just to quickly put KCC back in his place - using Kenpom that takes into account the first 30 games from Newman this year is just ... funny.

What other team left in the final 16 had a guy who suddenly went from option 4 to the best player on the team deadly from behind the arc with a knack for performing in the clutch?

The fact none of you could point that out makes me sad for this board.

No, I'm glad your back.

It's hard to use the small sample size of Newman to determine he'd have the tourney he's had, but it's been awesome to watch.

Malik Newman Yay · 03-26-2018, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

No, I'm glad your back.

It's hard to use the small sample size of Newman to determine he'd have the tourney he's had, but it's been awesome to watch.

Oh, believe me - I'll never be back.

At this point, at least for the rest of this tourney, Malik Newman is Superman. His confidence is at an all-time high and the dude just has that look - you can tell when a moment isn't too big for a player, and Malik is basically bizarro Wiggins.

O.city · 03-26-2018, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Malik Newman Yay

Oh, believe me - I'll never be back.

At this point, at least for the rest of this tourney, Malik Newman is Superman. His confidence is at an all-time high and the dude just has that look - you can tell when a moment isn't too big for a player, and Malik is basically bizarro Wiggins.

Yeah, that's true, but hot streaks are hot streaks. They tend to end.

Malik Newman Yay · 03-26-2018, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, that's true, but hot streaks are hot streaks. They tend to end.

This reminds me of Kemba Walker in 2011 - but with a different usage rate, since obviously Graham is the guy who generally has the ball.

The dude just has *it* - he's a winner. Not all players are winners. Chris Webber wasn't a winner - he always shrank in the big moments. Mike Bibby was a winner. Andrew Wiggins - not a winner.

Some guys play the best with everything on the line - and clearly, Malik Newman is cut from that cloth.

**Bearcat** · 03-26-2018, 11:03 AM

I almost feel bad for banning this mult... not 100% in agreement, but a much better take than KC_Kenpom.

TambaBerry · 03-26-2018, 11:05 AM

Chalmers hit more then just one shot are you serious?

03-26-2018, 10:19 AM	#3752
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $1320900	Sometime it's better to be lucky then good. __________________ When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce. You woke up the wrong mother****er!
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03-26-2018, 10:24 AM	#3753
SuperChief Damn it feels good. Join Date: Mar 2011 Casino cash: $7547978	Mass St. was indeed nuts after the game. I watched at Liberty Hall (which was SO fun), and as soon as the game ended, the masses were on the street. North Mass crowd started going south, then what appeared to be a huge crowd from the Granada area started coming north. The meeting in the middle was rowdy! __________________
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03-26-2018, 10:33 AM	#3755
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2504064	Eh, missing open shots isn't exactly leaving points on the board. Missing an open layup maybe. KU played really awesome on the defensive end though, and Self really outcoached K.
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03-26-2018, 10:39 AM	#3756
Malik Newman Yay Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Casino cash: $10000400	Here's the issue with KCC and Kenpom and basically KCC (plus Prison Bitch) and advanced analytics in general : KU is graded based off a rolling 37 game sample size and doesn't take into account Malik Newman has been the best player in the country for about 7 games. Before that, he was ... not this guy. Since the start of the Big 12 tournament, he is suddenly Kemba Walker. The guy is everything Andrew Wiggins and Ben McLemore weren't for KU when elimination games started. Wiggins' wanted nothing to do with the 'big moment', whereas Newman wants everyone to get the **** out of the way. Hell, Devonte Graham tried to throw the game away in overtime with that ridiculous pass to De'Souza (why? why? Why even try that?) and his missed front end of the 1 and 1. Speaking of De'Souza - yep, again, Kenpom only has about a 7 game sample size of him, as well - so KU is graded on a curve that doesn't recognize the emergence of Malik Newman, superstar and De'Souza, 5 quality fouls, high energy guy who is a better defensive rebounder and presence than Azubuike. Thus, the Kenpom ratings on KU are EXTREMELY flawed. Even with all of that, according to the research, KU was 36% to win - people are acting like that is some sort of 'hail mary' - do any of you play poker? That's basically 7 8 offsuit against AK suited - who cares? It's barely anything. KU were 3 point dogs playing essentially in front of a home crowd - they outplayed Duke the entire game and almost lost entirely due to missed shots down the stretch. The problem with KCC is this is the card he always plays - it's the, "well we have no shot based off the numbers so of course we're going to most likely lose, that's just common sense, because this, this and this" leaving him always open for the, "well yeah, we won because Bill Self is a great coach and KU hit shots!" I'm right with him on LeBron, but he does it with LeBron every year - LeBron can never win because his team is never that good - but LeBron is so good that if they win, it's always because LeBron is the best. Prison Bitch does the exact opposite - he never makes a prediction, but waits for the 'crash and burn', so that he can blame Bill Self or Eric Hosmer or Alex Gordon on why everything crashed and burned. But hey, if they win it all, PB can just make fun of KCC because PB also never makes any predictions, just trolls on the side to rile everyone up. Pretty dumb. Either way - I thought Duke would probably win, but I figured if Malik kept playing like the best player in the tournament, KU could beat anybody. Malik is 1 more big game against Nova from playing himself from a no-brainer back at KU next year to a top 20 pick - he might have already done it. Hopefully KU gets a National Championship out of this, but you can kiss Newman goodbye. Newman is the most clutch KU player I've seen since Chalmers - and even Chalmers only made 1 shot. Newman is everything Andrew Wiggins wasn't. Wiggins had no heart. Newman is all heart. You gonna bet against KU with Newman playing like this? I'm not.
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03-26-2018, 10:44 AM	#3757
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2504064	And.........Hooties back.
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03-26-2018, 10:44 AM	#3758
Malik Newman Yay Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Casino cash: $10000400	KU will win this tournament because this tournament is always won by the best guard with the most heart when one emerges - there is nobody else left that is playing at Malik Newman's level - he's doing exactly what Kemba Walker did in 2011. Malik is going to go down as a KU icon when he pulls this off - I expect more heroics from #14 Saturday.
Posts: 5

03-26-2018, 11:03 AM	#3764
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $2514931	I almost feel bad for banning this mult... not 100% in agreement, but a much better take than KC_Kenpom.
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03-26-2018, 11:05 AM	#3765
TambaBerry MVP Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $1405541	Chalmers hit more then just one shot are you serious?
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