The hold that took away our 2 point conversion

[TribalElder]

Happens to Tamba Hali and never gets called

[ARROW2]

**** the National **** League

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by dBaby Lee

Or the holding in the EZ right before our last drive would have given the 2pts with a safety, freeing us to take a lead with a PAT?

Exactly. Imagine an ump having a tight zone the entire night only to ring Gordon up looking on a 3-2 fastball 6 inches off the plate in the bottom of the 9th in a 1 run game. Bases loaded after calling nothing off the black the entire night.

[Chiefnj2]

It was a hold. It sucks they didn't call it consistently earlier in the game against KC. Fisher should be able to block a 38 year old lineman at the end of the game. KC blew many opportunities - dropped balls, inability to stop Bell, looking over wrong shoulder, QB with happy feet, no pass rush, poor playcalling most of the game, etc. It was a team loss by a team that didn't really want it.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Why wasn't the hold called on Pitts final 3rd down attempt. But.... Keep ignoring that Fish. Why was Kelce mugged and no call?? The pictures are there and it's pretty criminal those were no calls. Nothing was CONSISTENT. Selective enforcement.

Because refs aren't perfect and penalties are missed in every game for both teams. I agree that it's not as consistent as we'd like. But there's quite a gap from that observation to claiming the entire NFL is rigged or that calls purposely went against the Chiefs.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Fish

Because refs aren't perfect and penalties are missed in every game for both teams. I agree that it's not as consistent as we'd like. But there's quite a gap from that observation to claiming the entire NFL is rigged or that calls purposely went against the Chiefs.

The Fisher call was by the rule a correct and fair call. No arguments. It doesn't explain why the hold in the EZ or the hold on third down went uncalled though. The standard wasn't set for what a hold was for this game. If you let em play, you let em play.There is also quite a gap between outright rigged and selective enforcement. Neither lead to a true competitive environment however.

[Mecca]

watch that, it's weird.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Blackop??

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

The Fisher call was by the rule a correct and fair call. No arguments. It doesn't explain why the hold in the EZ or the hold on third down went uncalled though. The standard wasn't set for what a hold was for this game. If you let em play, you let em play.There is also quite a gap between outright rigged and selective enforcement. Neither lead to a true competitive environment however.

Yeah, and it also doesn't explain why the Chiefs got away with several other blatant holds and blocks in the back that went uncalled. Again, pointing to the result of an individual play is meaningless. Inconsistency is to be expected when you have a handful of refs watching 22 prime athletes slamming into each other at full speed.

[Snica]

Originally Posted by Mecca

watch that, it's weird.

What the fuuuu?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Fish

Yeah, and it also doesn't explain why the Chiefs got away with several other blatant holds and blocks in the back that went uncalled. Again, pointing to the result of an individual play is meaningless. Inconsistency is to be expected when you have a handful of refs watching 22 prime athletes slamming into each other at full speed.

When plays go ignored in key moments in a game often decided by one play, it's a pretty big deal when they miss that 1 (or in this case 4 or 5) key calls on one team. The visitors to boot . Selective enforcement

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Snica

What the fuuuu?

It kinda makes sense when you listen to it...

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

When plays go ignored in key moments in a game often decided by one play, it's a pretty big deal when they miss that 1 (or in this case 4 or 5) key calls on one team. The visitors to boot . Selective enforcement

This game was not decided by one play. That's an endless rabbit hole. You could single out many dozens of plays that you could technically label as the same if we're playing that Whack-a-mole game. Selective bias.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It kinda makes sense when you listen to it...

No. No, it doesn't. At all..

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Fish

No. No, it doesn't. At all..

It's quite interesting how the same numbers come up all the time...he has a bunch of videos detailing the stuff.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Impressive list. You sure you couldn't come up with one for Pittsburgh too, if you tried?


So I find it really hard to believe in any kind of grand conspiracy theory when it comes to the NFL, or any of the other professional leagues. Is it possible a ref here or there is owned by the mob or whatever? Sure. Could a player be involved in point shaving in some pro sport? Sure. But NFL HQ pulling strings so certain teams advance and certain ones don't? Can't buy it. Why?

1. You'd have to believe that the NFL is willing to risk EVERYTHING to do it, because if a handful of refs get together and decide to write a tell all book, either to make a zillion dollars or just because they're pissed for some reason, the league is done. DONE. If the masses think the NFL or any other pro league is the WWE, as you say, then the league will lose billions.

Why take that chance? To get ratings slightly higher? The risk/reward profile isn't there.

2. If what you say is true, then why the F has Dallas not even BEEN to a Super Bowl in 20 years?

3. If what you say is true, then even the owners, who the NFL technically works for, are certainly in the dark. Unless you think guys like Ralph Wilson would be fine with never winning a Super Bowl. In that case, the NFL, whose salaries, etc. are paid for by the owners, are betraying the very people they work for. That seems beyond far-fetched.

4. When it comes to refs "****ing the Chiefs over", you probably know but I'll say it anyway -- EVERY team feels EXACTLY the same about the refs. You think Pats fans don't complain about them? They do, EVERY ****ing time the Pats lose. Becuase the Pats don't win so damn much there is less complaining, but when they lose, look out.

Meh, if you really believe, then stop watching. It's all I can say. Believe what you want.

I think you just made his point for him. Yeah, sure, you could find the Chiefs holding the steelers if you looked at that. Point is, it wasn't called all game. They were letting them play all game, as is evident from the pics he showed you. When you swallow the whistle all game, you don't bring it out on the most crucial play of the game at the end. Not sure if it's a conspiracy or not, but it's a bush league call for sure.