Would you trade Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick straight up?

[Alex Smith 4Ever]

I would not. Alex is a better quarterback right now and does not have the off field incidents of Kaepernick

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

I think that's weird too.

I figured you would. That's why I posted it.

It's pretty obvious that outside of Alex Smith, you have nothing at all in common with them.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by milkman

While I can understand your perspective, having been a fan longer than you have, I don't share it, so I don't think that plays into it.

You don't think having been a fan through all the losing the Chiefs have done has made you inherently negative about the things they do?

EDIT: I think where we disagree is on how we might react to future moves. I don't think our perspectives are all that different.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Do you think I just woke up one morning and said "if the Chiefs do X, I'm done"?

How long have you been fan? I'm asking in all seriousness because I think there's a difference here in perspective.

While I can understand your perspective, having been a fan longer than you have, I don't share it, so I don't think that plays into it.

[htismaqe]

That's weird.

You deleted the post I quoted and posted the same thing again, after my quote.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You don't think having been a fan through all the losing the Chiefs have done has made you inherently negative about the things they do?

EDIT: I think where we disagree is on how we might react to future moves. I don't think our perspectives are all that different.

I agree with the edit you added.
I know with absolute certainty that I will not, regardless of how negatively I view the moves that this team makes, lose my passion for the team.

I do almost wish I could walk away.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's weird.

You deleted the post I quoted and posted the same thing again, after my quote.

Yeah, I originally qouted the wrong post.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Do you think I just woke up one morning and said "if the Chiefs do X, I'm done"?

How long have you been fan? I'm asking in all seriousness because I think there's a difference here in perspective.

30 years or so.

I don't think you reach these limits suddenly, but my perspective has always been, I'm a fan that doesn't have season tickets, I don't really put any money into the team at all. It's been 30 years of free entertainment. And yea, I have been entertained. I've enjoyed most of my time as a Chiefs fan. I don't consider myself suffering under the oppression of the evil Hunt family that doesn't want to win. The only time I really haven't enjoyed myself was the end of the Pioli era, where I came close to rooting for them to lose, just so Pioli would get fired, it sucked.

[Messier]

I think it's harder to be a Royals fan, where there has been no success for close to 30 years, but I admire those that never give up on them.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Messier

I think it's harder to be a Royals fan, where there has been no success for close to 30 years, but I admire those that never give up on them.

I'm not sure where there's been any success for the Chiefs either. One trip to the AFCCG in nearly 40 years. Not a single playoff win in 20.

Guess it depends on your definition of success.

To me, there's not much if any difference between wining 4 games and winning 10 and getting bounced in the 1st round. This team could go 16-0 for the next five year, but if they can't win a playoff game, what's the point?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by milkman

That's just ****ing stupid.

That's not a rebuttal.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not sure where there's been any success for the Chiefs either. One trip to the AFCCG in nearly 40 years. Not a single playoff win in 20.

Guess it depends on your definition of success.

To me, there's not much if any difference between wining 4 games and winning 10 and getting bounced in the 1st round. This team could go 16-0 for the next five year, but if they can't win a playoff game, what's the point?

I see the difference. You didn't enjoy any of the playoff seasons? I know you look back with disappointment, but as they were happening you weren't having fun?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Messier

I see the difference. You didn't enjoy any of the playoff seasons? I know you look back with disappointment, but as they were happening you weren't having fun?

Oh yeah - I had an absolute blast watching the last four playoffs losses in person.

I mean, who wouldn't have fun traveling to four games, only to see a defense that never forced a punt, an offense that couldn't gain a first down until the 3rd quarter, a QB throw his team out of the game, and a defense give up a 28 point 2nd half lead.

And then having a 4 hour drive home after each game.

So much fun I'm getting chills just typing this.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh yeah - I had an absolute blast watching the last four playoffs losses in person.

I mean, who wouldn't have fun traveling to four games, only to see a defense that never forced a punt, an offense that couldn't gain a first down until the 3rd quarter, a QB throw his team out of the game, and a defense give up a 28 point 2nd half lead.

And then having a 4 hour drive home after each game.

So much fun I'm getting chills just typing this.

Reread my post. I know the playoff games have been disappointing. I'm talking about the season. That's what most of being a fan is, is watching regular season games.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh yeah - I had an absolute blast watching the last four playoffs losses in person.

I mean, who wouldn't have fun traveling to four games, only to see a defense that never forced a punt, an offense that couldn't gain a first down until the 3rd quarter, a QB throw his team out of the game, and a defense give up a 28 point 2nd half lead.

And then having a 4 hour drive home after each game.

So much fun I'm getting chills just typing this.

Eh, those are just coin flips.

Greatness emerges in your entire body of work.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Messier

Reread my post. I know the playoff games have been disappointing. I'm talking about the season. That's what most of being a fan is, is watching regular season games.

Regular season games don't mean much to me anymore. This organization has sucked the life out of them.

I'm pretty even keel after wins and losses - because they really don't matter anymore. Hard to get excited over a win in October when you've proven over 20 years you can't win when it matters most. I went to two games this year - mainly to spend time with some good friends. We won one, and lost one - and my attitude was no different after each game.

When this organization can start winning regular season games AND playoff games, it'll be a lot more "fun".

[Messier]

I guess to boil it down- Did last year just totally suck?

If the answer is yes, that the end ruined to whole season, and, I'm not saying it's wrong, I then understand how you conclude that the last 20 years have been no fun, and nothing but failure. That's just not the way I see it.