Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 24

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

well in fairiness

who at #1 is going to CHANGE this THIS year.

there is no Calvin Johnson and I don't think Star Loutituuata is going to fill seats at Arrowhead if we are terrible.

If the Chiefs stay at #1, Milliner would have an immediate presence in the secondary. If they can get another safety in free agency or the draft, your likely looking at an elite secondary.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:11 AM

trade down to 10-12 range and pick up an early 2nd and maybe a 4th...

trade that early 2nd and our 4th to get back to around 25 and take Ertz...

take BPA at 10-12 whether it's the best safety available, CB, rush backer or WR

take best QBA with our #3

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

Thats why you sign a Jared Cook.

Oddly I wanted the Chiefs to draft him a few years ago, there's numerous posts about him on here from me.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-05-2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Alex Smith? No.

Was talking about if they went with Geno and he hit.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If the Chiefs stay at #1, Milliner would have an immediate presence in the secondary. If they can get another safety in free agency or the draft, your likely looking at an elite secondary.

I said I wouldn't be super thrilled with this, but I'd much rather have a guy like Milliner than any ****ING lineman and I could at least cheer for the guy on game day...

even though I think it's QB at #1 or trade back (so now with Alex Smith it is pretty much trade back or bust in my eyes)

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This team also has to sign a top flight receiving TE, Alex Smith basically would have died without Vernon Davis.

Rumored that we're sweet on Jermichael Finley.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

trade down to 10-12 range and pick up an early 2nd and maybe a 4th...

trade that early 2nd and our 4th to get back to around 25 and take Ertz...

take BPA at 10-12 whether it's the best safety available, CB, rush backer or WR

take best QBA with our #3

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME

If you're gonna do that I'd rather have Hunter/Hopkins.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-05-2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If the Chiefs stay at #1, Milliner would have an immediate presence in the secondary. If they can get another safety in free agency or the draft, your likely looking at an elite secondary.

Will Moore would be nice.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Oddly I wanted the Chiefs to draft him a few years ago, there's numerous posts about him on here from me.

I remember those. I made him my prime sleeper because of that a few years in fantasy...I liked his raw ability.

HOWEVER, I do find it weird he can't seem to play the TE position in the NFL as evidenced by his 70% snaps at the WR position.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Rumored that we're sweet on Jermichael Finley.

Reports are saying they could be six teams interested in cook and the chiefs are one of them.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you're gonna do that I'd rather have Hunter/Hopkins.

Cowherd was pimping Ertz today and I love Cowherd. Dude is the best sports radio guy out there...

Ertz says he models his game around Tony Gonzalez and Jason Witten...

I like the idea of having two good TE's like New England, especially with an Alex Smith.

I'd love to get this guy.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I remember those. I made him my prime sleeper because of that a few years in fantasy...I liked his raw ability.

HOWEVER, I do find it weird he can't seem to play the TE position in the NFL as evidenced by his 70% snaps at the WR position.

He went to college as a WR, he's basically a WR in a TE's body, doesn't block much but you can't really match up with him in the pass game.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Will Moore would be nice.

PFCentral reports chiefs will go hard after sean smith and william moore.

William moore even said he wants to play next to berry.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Yes, but you are improving (possibly greatly) the most glaring weakness and the most important position on the field in the short and long terms. You can afford to be a bit light in some of those other spots.

That's a HUGE risk to put a first and second round draft choice into the same position, especially considering that the #1 pick wouldn't likely see the field for at least one year.

The Chiefs, like any NFL team, need their first rounder to start day one.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He went to college as a WR, he's basically a WR in a TE's body, doesn't block much but you can't really match up with him in the pass game.

if we want to use him as our Aaron Hernandez I'm more than ok with signing him.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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