Not just done with KC,done with the NFL

[Nzoner]

Yet another thread and I even went as far tonight that I gave away a very nice Chiefs coat and chiefs stocking cap at the party I was at.Also quit my fantasy football league and am renouncing the NFL as a whole.

Pro football is nothing more than pro wrestling only the stage is 50,000 times larger and the NFL just might get their Luck/Manning rematch and maybe even their Manning/Brady rematch.I ****ing hate to think this shit is rigged but at 51 I've seen much to much over the years and am done being made a fool of.

Oh and lastly this years pro bowl will be a fantasy draft,really,wake the **** up people we're watching another form of Hollywood where some of the actors are paid millions and some are just bit players.

[GordonGekko]

Nah, this game wasn't rigged.

The Chiefs are just 'cursed' and play up tight and sucky in the playoffs.

I mean look at the Red Sox, they didn't win jack for like a century, and they are a very proud MLB franchise even before the 2000's when they started to win the WS again.

This kind of thing just happens to some teams in all of sports, and unfortunately for us it is the Chiefs.

It's like that song where he goes, "some guys have all the luck, some have all the pain..." We have all the pain.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

Alex Smith played well in the 1st half of the game. In the 2nd half, he led your offense to 181 total yards and 13 points, 7 of which came off an interception in which the Chiefs started on Indy's 18 yard line.

By comparison, in the 2nd half Luck led his team, to 369 yards and 35 points, despite two potentially crippling interceptions.

The Colts won not because of some conspiracy, but because their team vastly outplayed the Chiefs in the 2nd half of the game.

and he was handed one of those possession by a blatant bad call on the gulble recovery, and again, the 4th down to Bowe was a non-call.

those two calls are enough to swing a close game.

[Steve Sewell]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, I wasn't saying I knew that stuff would happen because it was literally scripted or the NFL wanted those teams to win. I knew (well, was pretty confident) that stuff was going to happen because the NFL has created an arena league where the best QBs have a pretty decent chance to march down the field at the end of games. It just looks scripted/terribly predictable because the best QBs have the best chance to make the playoffs, so a lot of playoff games these days end in a similar fashion.

Sadly, it wasn't about the Chiefs defense being terrible, it was about the Chiefs' inability to keep scoring, despite scoring 44 points. They actually need more weapons on offense (and of course a healthy JC would help, too) so next time they can score 48 or 51 or whatever it takes. It's terrible football, but highly entertaining to the casual fan.

How can you say it wasn't about the Chiefs defense being terrible? Seriously?

The problem for the Chiefs, and the reason your team hasn't won a playoff game in 20 years is because you keep lining up guys like Bono, Grbac, Green, and Smith against the likes of Elway, Manning, Luck...hell, even Joe Flacco.

The NFL has always and forever will be a quarterback driven league. Until KC's management pulls its head out of its ass and realizes that, you will continue to have soul-crushing playoff defeats.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

Alex Smith played well in the 1st half of the game. In the 2nd half, he led your offense to 181 total yards and 13 points, 7 of which came off an interception in which the Chiefs started on Indy's 18 yard line.

By comparison, in the 2nd half Luck led his team, to 369 yards and 35 points, despite two potentially crippling interceptions.

The Colts won not because of some conspiracy, but because their team vastly outplayed the Chiefs in the 2nd half of the game.

no, they won because our pass rush failed get to the QB, half our secondary is ASS ...coupled with three playmakers on offense and one on defense out with injuries.

If we put up 44 points without those players, it's downright ridiculous to think we wouldn't have curbstomped them into oblivion with those players.

[Steve Sewell]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

and he was handed one of those possession by a blatant bad call on the gulble recovery, and again, the 4th down to Bowe was a non-call.

those two calls are enough to swing a close game.

Are you drunk?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

How can you say it wasn't about the Chiefs defense being terrible? Seriously?

The problem for the Chiefs, and the reason your team hasn't won a playoff game in 20 years is because you keep lining up guys like Bono, Grbac, Green, and Smith against the likes of Elway, Manning, Luck...hell, even Joe Flacco.

The NFL has always and forever will be a quarterback driven league. Until KC's management pulls its head out of its ass and realizes that, you will continue to have soul-crushing playoff defeats.

Smiths numbers were off the charts...that's just stupid.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Look, I understand you'll need to have RG and the entire cast of owners come out on a stage and admit that it happened before you let common sense and your eyes lead you to a rather obvious conclusion.

And don't tell me where, or where not, to get the evidence from. Just because you don't like the site, or the premise of the argument against a game you love, doesn't make the court document any less real.

In typical fashion, when the NFL was taken to court for cheating, they never said it sisn't happen, destroyed the evidence that would have perhaps proven the prosecution's assertion (how convenient!!), and they shifted the argument to "you got to see a game, that all we have to do." So the question was never answered, it was skirted. And while a perfectly legal tactic in our judicial system, the destruction of evidence was anything but legal. So if Roger had taken the tapes and locked them up in have been plenty safe, but no he destroyed the evidence.

You may be a lawyer or something, and I think that may be true, but in this case along there's plenty of evidence of a corrupt system. And that's good enough for me...

But that's fine, you can think all of this is crap, or mere coincidence, or one-off situations, but I think you're turning a blind eye because you want them to be innocent, so you're allowing the bar to be set at an unrealistically high level.

So have fun with it, but next time you pass our HoF QB you might want to remind him that he's a liar....

"(Id. (citation omitted).) Walsh provided at least eight videotapes
to the NFL, while the Patriots likewise furnished at least six
tapes to the league. The commissioner claimed that he ordered
the destruction of the videotapes to prevent their use by the
Patriots, even though the NFL allegedly had a legal duty to
preserve these items pursuant, inter alia, to the Sarbanes-Oxley
Act and the NFL’s own antitrust exemption."

"Accordingly, we need not, and do not decide, whether a
ticket-holder possesses nothing more than a license to enter and
view whatever event, if any, happens to transpire. Here, Mayer
undeniably saw football games played by two NFL teams. This
therefore is not a case where, for example, the game or games
were cancelled, strike replacement players were used, or the
professional football teams themselves did something
nonsensical or absurd, such as deciding to play basketball."

None of this indicates that the NFL is fixing games or that they are allowed to do so.

You mentioned common sense--well here's some:
The Patriots are, obviously, one of the NFL's "chosen" teams. I mean, they were picked to be the winners of the post-9/11 SB and have been to several others. Why then, was there even a need to videotape other team's practices?

And who ratted them out? Another team. Surely, all the teams are in on this fixing thing--that some teams are chosen to win and some are not--why would one team do this to another team? I mean, the whole league is fixed and the teams are all ok with that, but one team is going to open a huge scandal by accusing another team of cheating? Hey, we don't mind if your team has already been chosen to win--but just don't tape our practices! That's over the line!

[greatgooglymoogly]

The closest thing you will find to "rigged" in American pro sports is the current situation the Royals are in. A team with few resources in a league that goes out of its way to punish teams with few resources. College sports are even worse - mid-majors have no chance of ever winning a NC in football and a ridiculously small chance in basketball. In comparison, the Chiefs have a paved road by them, they're just incapable of staying on it.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by TEX

Still dodging my question to support your narrative or what you have morphed mine into.

1. He does not make 42-yard kicks 90% of the time. You refuse to find out the actual % so just be ignorant with your assumption.

2. Completely wrong again. Nobody has to say he misses on purpose and nobody has said he did miss on purpose. That is until you just did.

3.Obviously you are not aware of his limitations. This whole discussion would be different had you just done what I asked you to do.

I can't communicate with you if all you're interested in having is a one-way conversation. Again, not a big deal at for you or me. Time to move on.

he's a hard person to communicate with. I had to put him on ignore, not out of any reason other than it's just not worth it to read what he posts and try to fight the urge to respond...

**** him. in the nicest, most respectful way possible.

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Look, I understand you'll need to have RG and the entire cast of owners come out on a stage and admit that it happened before you let common sense and your eyes lead you to a rather obvious conclusion.

And don't tell me where, or where not, to get the evidence from. Just because you don't like the site, or the premise of the argument against a game you love, doesn't make the court document any less real.

In typical fashion, when the NFL was taken to court for cheating, they never said it sisn't happen, destroyed the evidence that would have perhaps proven the prosecution's assertion (how convenient!!), and they shifted the argument to "you got to see a game, that all we have to do." So the question was never answered, it was skirted. And while a perfectly legal tactic in our judicial system, the destruction of evidence was anything but legal. So if Roger had taken the tapes and locked them up in have been plenty safe, but no he destroyed the evidence.

You may be a lawyer or something, and I think that may be true, but in this case along there's plenty of evidence of a corrupt system. And that's good enough for me...

But that's fine, you can think all of this is crap, or mere coincidence, or one-off situations, but I think you're turning a blind eye because you want them to be innocent, so you're allowing the bar to be set at an unrealistically high level.

So have fun with it, but next time you pass our HoF QB you might want to remind him that he's a liar....

"(Id. (citation omitted).) Walsh provided at least eight videotapes
to the NFL, while the Patriots likewise furnished at least six
tapes to the league. The commissioner claimed that he ordered
the destruction of the videotapes to prevent their use by the
Patriots, even though the NFL allegedly had a legal duty to
preserve these items pursuant, inter alia, to the Sarbanes-Oxley
Act and the NFL’s own antitrust exemption."

"Accordingly, we need not, and do not decide, whether a
ticket-holder possesses nothing more than a license to enter and
view whatever event, if any, happens to transpire. Here, Mayer
undeniably saw football games played by two NFL teams. This
therefore is not a case where, for example, the game or games
were cancelled, strike replacement players were used, or the
professional football teams themselves did something
nonsensical or absurd, such as deciding to play basketball."

well stated. logical. common sense.

+1

[Steve Sewell]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Smiths numbers were off the charts...that's just stupid.

So it's "stupid" to claim that he was outplayed by Luck in the 2nd half of the game?

[KC Dan]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

So it's "stupid" to claim that he was outplayed by Luck in the 2nd half of the game?

He wasn't outplayed by Luck at all. The Chiefs defense and defensive coaches were outplayed by Luck in the 2nd half

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

How can you say it wasn't about the Chiefs defense being terrible? Seriously?

The problem for the Chiefs, and the reason your team hasn't won a playoff game in 20 years is because you keep lining up guys like Bono, Grbac, Green, and Smith against the likes of Elway, Manning, Luck...hell, even Joe Flacco.

The NFL has always and forever will be a quarterback driven league. Until KC's management pulls its head out of its ass and realizes that, you will continue to have soul-crushing playoff defeats.

Passing 363
Comp - Att
30-46
Yards per pass
7.9
Interceptions thrown
0
Sacks - Yards Lost
2-15
TDs thrown
4



There's Smith statline. QB rating of 114.something.

nothing wrong with the QB play.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

So it's "stupid" to claim that he was outplayed by Luck in the 2nd half of the game?

no, now it's stupid to move the goalposts.

[Steve Sewell]

Originally Posted by stevieray

no, now it's stupid to move the goalposts.

I said he played well in the 1st half but not so well in the 2nd half in my original post on the matter. How have I moved the goalposts?

[Steve Sewell]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Passing 363
Comp - Att
30-46
Yards per pass
7.9
Interceptions thrown
0
Sacks - Yards Lost
2-15
TDs thrown
4



There's Smith statline. QB rating of 114.something.

nothing wrong with the QB play.

Andrew Luck outperformed Alex Smith in the 2nd half of the football game. Fair statement?