Chiefs trade (Arenas) for...wait for it...a FB?

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Chiefs acquired FB Anthony Sherman from the Chiefs...er Cardinals.
New Cards head coach Bruce Arians has no room for plodding fullbacks in his aggressive, vertical offense. So Sherman heads to Andy Reid's West Coast scheme as Jamaal Charles' lead blocker. The 2011 fifth-rounder graded out 20th among 25 qualifying fullbacks in Pro Football Focus' rankings last season. May 1 - 12:11 PM

WTF?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...nthony-sherman

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Arenas was a solid #3 CB and one of the better punt returners in the league.

Just traded him for a ****ing FB. How many does that make now?

Dorsey is terrible at this trading thing.

This is just inaccurate.

He's a below average #3 CB and a completely worthless punt returner. A legitimate good punt returner will actually present a credible threat to break one. Arenas was a guy that fair caught a shitload of punts and only tried to break on them when they were easily returnable. As a consequence, he was able to generate a decent stat line through nothing more than catching the ball and running straight ahead.

Whoever returns punts for us this year will do a better job of it than Arenas did.

And he's a crap CB. Nobody would've said boo about it had we outright cut the guy. He's small, he's slow and his instincts haven't progressed a drop since we got him.

He didn't have more value in the league otherwise someone would've offered it. Do you really think these GMs don't ask around on a player before dealing them? If anyone was eager to give up a pick for Arenas, they'd have done it by now.

I don't know why we traded him for a FB when Reid doesn't really use them. That's why I was pissed about the Wilson pick. But in the end I suspect that these guys don't see him as a FB but rather a special teams contributor. If he goes out there and does a good job on STs, there's some very good value there.

You guys can keep saying "CBs are more valuable than FBs" or whatever hypothetical tripe you'd like to throw out there - but if there was a market for Arenas, we'd have traded him for more than we got. There's no market for the guy because frankly, there just isn't a market for short, slow CBs with lousy technique.

[mcaj22]

hes a crap CB but Dunta Robinson is not better than him

that's my argument. Just like Stanford Routt wasnt better than him last season.

You could shit on Javier Arenas all you want, I dont think hes good either. But you cant defend Dunta Robinson or Sean Smith as better when its the same god awful crap

It's a downgrade or parallel move at best no matter how you look at it

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I do love that the 'aging' Tony Gonzalez will play longer for the team he got traded to than the guy the Chiefs got for him as part of their rebuilding effort.

Showed up a year later, left a year sooner. Nicely done, *****.

Ouch. That hurt.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Bootlegged

From Left to Right:

KeginKC, BossChief, SNR

It's okay, sweetie. Tell mommy what those mean people said to you on the internet.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

hes a crap CB but Dunta Robinson is not better than him

that's my argument. Just like Stanford Routt wasnt better than him last season.

You could shit on Javier Arenas all you want, I dont think hes good either. But you cant defend Dunta Robinson or Sean Smith as better when its the same god awful crap

It's a downgrade or parallel move at best no matter how you look at it

We'll see.

I'm not inclined to argue the point right now because it's raw speculation. I don't see how anyone can categorically state that Robinson will be no better at NCB than Arenas when Robinson's never been given the lighter responsibility that comes with playing that role. He's struggled as a #1 CB because frankly he's just not physically up to the task anymore but that is not what he's being asked to do here. Corners can do a damn nice job inside by simply being smart and physical. I'm willing to see if Robinson can use his veteran savvy to get there. Robinson is by no means a dumb player and he's going to be a battler out there. I think he can do a very nice job with the diminished responsibilities.

The bottom line is that we weren't going to be a good team with Arenas playing a critical role in the defense.

We might not be a good team with Robinson playing a critical role in the defense either, but at least there was an attempt to upgrade there. Time will tell if we actually got one and if we didn't, we'll cut him and try again.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Get the **** out of my face with Arenas having any value other than making McCluster look more normal in group photos.

[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by DisgruntledFan

This cracks me up everytime I see it.

The thing that makes me laugh the hardest is that is over drafting Fisher, who I was happy with but come on now....

[mikey23545]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Chief

Dave Taub's fingerprints are on this. Special Teams will be fun to watch this year.

Yep...Sherman was a special teams captain for the Cardinals. I imagine that was his value more than FB...

[Ming the Merciless]

awesome he ranks 20 out of 25! isnt that like 20% out of 100%???

at least he is better than 4 other fb's


HEY GUYS HE ISNT THE WORST!

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Nailed it...

GMs around the league were salivating while watching the tape of Javier ****ing Arenas and wondering how they could possibly swing a deal for him.

The dude was and is garbage. He was going to get cut. The FB was going to get cut. Who ****ing cares?

I swear...if we win the ****ing Super Bowl, people around here are going to bitch about not having anything to bitch about. All of the know it all armchair GMs around here must not feel stupid enough about the entire season spent cheering for losses so they could get the number one pick and blow it on a guy who went in the middle of the second round, so they have decided to hitch their wagons to a shitty nickel back.

Spoiler alert: You still look dumb.

knuckle heads been owned!

[Shox]

It is not about have we signed better corners during the offseason. It is about getting value. A nickle corner is worth more than a starting FB unless maybe it is a multiple all-pro FB.

1. What happens if 3 CBs go down during training camp. At least you have a guy like JA who can be training camp foder and allow you to conduct a somewhat normal camp if you find yourself in this situation.
2. You can never have two many CBs. We all agree JA was not a #1 or #2 CB, maybe even a marginal slot CB, but I think we can all agree he was not a total waste of talent.
3. This trade screams to other teams come trade we us.....nobody will give you more for less. Is this really the message you want to send around the league.
4. What happens if another team has a rash of injuries at the CB position. Maybe the Chiefs could have traded him for a 4th or even 5th rounder to a desperate team during camp.
5. The worst case is you hang on to him and cut him at the end of camp. The result is the same.

This is a stupid move anyway you look at it.

[KCDC]

Head scratcher.

Arenas did okay after Routt left. He was our best blitzing CB. We do not exactly have a wealth of CBs, whereas we have a wealth of FBs. Behind the starting 3 CBs there are only question marks. Finding good backup CBs is much harder than finding backup FBs.

Looks like we got burned in yet another trade. Dorsey has not impressed me yet with his trading accumen. He was robbed in his first trade and this one makes little sense unless he hated Arena's talent. ARIZ will sign whichever FB we cut and they will be fine, and have a starting nickel back.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We'll see.

I'm not inclined to argue the point right now because it's raw speculation. I don't see how anyone can categorically state that Robinson will be no better at NCB than Arenas when Robinson's never been given the lighter responsibility that comes with playing that role. He's struggled as a #1 CB because frankly he's just not physically up to the task anymore but that is not what he's being asked to do here. Corners can do a damn nice job inside by simply being smart and physical. I'm willing to see if Robinson can use his veteran savvy to get there. Robinson is by no means a dumb player and he's going to be a battler out there. I think he can do a very nice job with the diminished responsibilities.

The bottom line is that we weren't going to be a good team with Arenas playing a critical role in the defense.

We might not be a good team with Robinson playing a critical role in the defense either, but at least there was an attempt to upgrade there. Time will tell if we actually got one and if we didn't, we'll cut him and try again.

In a league where you need at least 3 outside CBs, and 2 slot CBs, trading one of the five for a position of non-need justifiably opens you up to questions and scrutiny. The Chiefs do not currently have 5 CBs that have shown to be better than Arenas, or even 4. Things can change moving forward, but that's where it stands today.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

awesome he ranks 20 out of 25! isnt that like 20% out of 100%???

at least he is better than 4 other fb's


HEY GUYS HE ISNT THE WORST!

Wait, I was told the 20th ranked LT was elite and franchise type player

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Carlota69

This cracks me up everytime I see it.

The thing that makes me laugh the hardest is that is over drafting Fisher, who I was happy with but come on now....

Farmland Fury baby!