Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 23

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

**SAUTO** · 10-05-2018, 08:10 PM

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**SAUTO** · 10-05-2018, 08:11 PM

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Marcellus · 10-05-2018, 08:15 PM

Jesus Christ people this isn't complicated. If the team KNOWS he wont play this year he would be on IR.

You are reading too far into shit.

Im not saying he does do much but the thing is NOBODY knows right now. You act like they are hiding shit. That makes no sense.

carcosa · 10-05-2018, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

What did you guys expect him to say? He going to say that until Berry is doing full drills. I don't know why people hang on to what Reid says at his pressers.
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It just feels like his coachspeak is less optimistic-sounding than it was before.

O.city · 10-05-2018, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Jesus Christ people this isn't complicated. If the team KNOWS he wont play this year he would be on IR.

You are reading too far into shit.

Im not saying he does do much but the thing is NOBODY knows right now. You act like they are hiding shit. That makes no sense.

I’d say if they don’t know if he’ll be back or not, it’s pretty complicated

htismaqe · 10-05-2018, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Jesus Christ people this isn't complicated. If the team KNOWS he wont play this year he would be on IR.

You are reading too far into shit.

Im not saying he does do much but the thing is NOBODY knows right now. You act like they are hiding shit. That makes no sense.

For the record, I don't think they're being dishonest or hiding anything.

They've just been saying it's "day to day" for a couple of months now. I fully expect him to be day to day for the rest of the season at this point. I don't expect to see him play.

So if he does, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Simply Red · 10-05-2018, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa

It just feels like his coachspeak is less optimistic-sounding than it was before.

we'll be fine.

SuperBowl4 · 10-05-2018, 08:21 PM

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**SAUTO** · 10-05-2018, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I’d say if they don’t know if he’ll be back or not, it’s pretty complicated

I'm losing hope

O.city · 10-05-2018, 08:25 PM

Yeah there’s some weird shit going on.

The chiefs had let out all the stuff to the media guys last week about how they thought he’d be back last week or this week. Etc

Now he still isn’t practicing.

I think it’s EB not feeling right

staylor26 · 10-05-2018, 08:25 PM

I highly doubt they would let him go out there and jog/warm up with his teammates if he weren’t coming back at some point. They wouldn’t tease everybody like that.

If they’re already lying about his progress why would they make it worse?

O.city · 10-05-2018, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I highly doubt they would let him go out there and jog/warm up with his teammates if he weren’t coming back at some point.

If they’re already lying about his progress why would they make it worse?

He’s been doing that stuff for a while, he just did it in front of reporters the other day iirc

**SAUTO** · 10-05-2018, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah there’s some weird shit going on.

The chiefs had let out all the stuff to the media guys last week about how they thought he’d be back last week or this week. Etc

Now he still isn’t practicing.

I think it’s EB not feeling right

I think they are putting the pressure on him.

I think that article where it talked about his urgency to play might've come from a team source. Just spit balling though

htismaqe · 10-05-2018, 08:30 PM

I don't seems like the Chiefs think he should be out there and he, for whatever reason, doesn't want to be out there.

O.city · 10-05-2018, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

I think they are putting the pressure on him.

I think that article where it talked about his urgency to play might've come from a team source. Just spit balling though

I’m thinking that might be it

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1646899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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