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Old 07-23-2014, 02:39 PM  
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:09 PM   #331
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Age matters in this debate; it matters a lot.
If you are talking $ I totally agree.

That being said I see nothing in how Kap or Wilson plays that makes me think they will ever be Rodgers, Brees, Manning type gunslingers.

Both those guys have benefited from the exact type of support Smith has succeeded with. Defense and a running game. Yet they lead their teams to wins.

I don't think Smith is an elite QB or ever will be. I do think he is a smart, tough, athletic QB who with decent support and a not ****ed up shoulder has shown he can get shit done.

Nothing wrong with that.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:09 PM   #332
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If they think Aaron Murray can be that guy, fine. Groom his ass and get him ready for 2015.

Otherwise, why the **** did you draft him?

It's a longshot, but maybe he's one of the .01% that slipped through the cracks like Brady and Warner.

Make some kind of effort, FFS.
Also, in terms of Murray or bray or whoever, I'd look more at 2016 but they'd be getting lot of chances that's for sure
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:10 PM   #333
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Meh, they'll have Luck still, but I'm not convinced that GM has a clue what he's doing.

Also, with what QBs are getting, imagine what Luck will command.
Yeah, "meh."

What the ****? I'd love to "meh" the **** out of that. So disappointing...all we have is...one of the best QBs in the league...entering his prime.

Meh.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:10 PM   #334
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This front office has spent more and invested more at the QB spot than the last 3 combined.

I think they have a pretty good idea of the importance of the position,
Which is nice
Spent more?

I get your sentiment but exactly what we are arguing is that they not make the same stupid mistake we made with Cassel.

So far it seems they arent in the mood to do so.


Edit: If you mean spent more as in the 2 2nd rounders + other picks then yes You are right about that.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:11 PM   #335
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This front office has spent more and invested more at the QB spot than the last 3 combined.
They have drafted one a 5th rounder. The others are the same shit the others did. Herm spent a 3rd on a QB and actually had the balls to play him even though he ended up sucking.
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Nothing wrong with that.
No, there isn't. But I still don't really know what we have in him.

Is he going to be first half of '13 Smith or second half? If it's the former, he can eat dicks. If it's the latter, we're in really good shape.
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People also think a QB has to be manning or Brady etc to be worth drafting.

Basically, if you can get Matt Ryan (who I'm not a huge fan of but point stands) you're doing great.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:12 PM   #338
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Brees and Rodgers are perfect examples of what I was saying earlier ie being in the right system with the right coaching etc.

People want to look at Cleveland for a reason not to draft a QB, when it's basically been a no win situation for all the QBs there.
Smith is in the perfect system for him, but he still can't put a team on his back and will them to win when everything around him isn't perfect, like we've seen Brees and Rodgers do time and time and time again.
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I'm simply irritated that we're wasting resources on a guy who has already proven what he is.

Giving him $20M a season isn't going to make him the type of QB that you can build a franchise around and create an opportunity at a dynasty. It's perpetuating mediocrity.

2015 is a time to take a chance to be great, and be great for a long time.
He has proven that he can win with a decent team around him, some good coaching, and lack of shoulder injury.

You act like his play hasn't elevated since day one and that's simply not true. He played better when the schedule got tougher.

People keep confusing the defensive collapse with Alex's play.

The defense got worse and he got better, not the other way around.
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People also think a QB has to be manning or Brady etc to be worth drafting.

Basically, if you can get Matt Ryan (who I'm not a huge fan of but point stands) you're doing great.
Im ok with trying and ending up with a guy like Ryan, Stafford, or I might be inclined to even give a guy like Andy Dalton some more time. At least they are trying.
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They have drafted one a 5th rounder. The others are the same shit the others did. Herm spent a 3rd on a QB and actually had the balls to play him even though he ended up sucking.
They've brought in 4 new QBs in less than 2 years. What else could they have done?
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He has proven that he can win with a decent team around him, some good coaching, and lack of shoulder injury.

You act like his play hasn't elevated since day one and that's simply not true. He played better when the schedule got tougher.

People keep confusing the defensive collapse with Alex's play.

The defense got worse and he got better, not the other way around.
Yea now just imagine if we had a real, actual, good QB.
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We are debating QB right now when the defense is what ****ed us in the long run.
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We're really going to give them credit for Daniel at $5M per (****ing stupid) or Bray (dumpster diving)?
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Yea now just imagine if we had a real, actual, good QB.
Like who?
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