Chiefs Alex Smith just wins! - Page 23

-King- · 11-13-2016, 03:14 PM

Props for the QB who always finds a way to win. Things weren't going our way in the first half but he didn't quit and found a way to lead us to victory.

O.city · 11-14-2016, 11:37 AM

I don't think the chiefs are weak opposite peters. Unknown maybe, but they haven't been getting torched.

Houston is a big addition (if he's healthy and normal, which we'll see) to all aspects here in what he will do for everyone.

With houston, you can't chip ford, you can't always do u le poe etc. 2 legit rushers outside improve the pass d as well.

The defense got torched against the steelers. Outside that, they're doing a bang up job against legit offenses.

O.city · 11-14-2016, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Nick Foles didn't get this kind of special treatment after his mediocre game. After the first bad pass people were ready to run him out of town.

Over the past few years I've seen more support and excuses had for Alex Smith than any other under-performing athlete in Chiefs history.

The hypocrisy on these forums are maddening.

Look who's making the excuses, realize it's old 9er fans, and move on.

Hell, smith said in his presser he was shitty yesterday. We know it, they know it.

RunKC · 11-14-2016, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don't think the chiefs are weak opposite peters. Unknown maybe, but they haven't been getting torched.

Houston is a big addition (if he's healthy and normal, which we'll see) to all aspects here in what he will do for everyone.

With houston, you can't chip ford, you can't always do u le poe etc. 2 legit rushers outside improve the pass d as well.

The defense got torched against the steelers. Outside that, they're doing a bang up job against legit offenses.

Steven Nelson is 16th in the NFL in passes defended among CB's with 9. He's a lot better than people give him credit for

Simply Red · 11-14-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Nick Foles didn't get this kind of special treatment after his mediocre game. After the first bad pass people were ready to run him out of town.

Over the past few years I've seen more support and excuses had for Alex Smith than any other under-performing athlete in Chiefs history.

The hypocrisy on these forums are maddening.

I don't agree - there's plenty of criticism on CP regarding AS.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-14-2016, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Steven Nelson is 16th in the NFL in passes defended among CB's with 9. He's a lot better than people give him credit for

Yea he grades out pretty well by analysts. Dang good for a second year

PAChiefsGuy · 11-14-2016, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

You can say one is playing a lot better than the other all you want, but statistically that doesnt hold water. Alex has some statistics that he is better this year than Peyton was last year, there are some where Peyton was better, and there are some that are about the same.

Sorry, but the idea that Alex is "a lot better" than Peyton was last year couldnt be more inaccurate.

Peyton was trash last season... Don't be fooled by the name and the Broncos record. He was a below-average game manager who was pretty clutch that's about it.

Peyton's numbers from last season

59.8 compl % 224.9 yds/gm 9 TDs 17 INTs 67.9 Rat

Alex Smith this season

66.1 compl % 227 yds/gm 8 TDs 3 INTs 90.3 Rat

Obviously stats don't tell the whole story but come on. It's not even close...

Reerun_KC · 11-14-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

All I heard during that Jags game was that Alex wouldn't have missed Hill in the endzone like Foles did. Are we so sure about that now?

Quote for truth...

dls6501 · 11-14-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Peyton was trash last season... Don't be fooled by the name and the Broncos record. He was a below-average game manager who was pretty clutch that's about it.

Peyton's numbers from last season

59.8 compl % 224.9 yds/gm 9 TDs 17 INTs 67.9 Rat

Alex Smith this season

66.1 compl % 227 yds/gm 8 TDs 3 INTs 90.3 Rat

Obviously stats don't tell the whole story but come on. It's not even close...

Stats dont tell the whole story when you are leaving out every statistic that is in Peyton's favor over Alex's, or any statistic that is very close (basically a wash).

PAChiefsGuy · 11-14-2016, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

Stats dont tell the whole story when you are leaving out every statistic that is in Peyton's favor over Alex's, or any statistic that is very close (basically a wash).

I listed pretty much every important stat. I left out rushing stats which, again, Alex dominated...

If you still think Peyton was better last year then I think you are simply an Alex hater. I'm not saying Alex is great, he isn't, but he is not as bad as many on here make him out to be.

He's a good manager who can sometimes play at an elite level and sometimes play like sh*t. Not having the best year as of now but plenty of time to turn things around.

DJ's left nut · 11-14-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

It looked simpler than that to me: he badly underthrew Hill on the interception and then badly overthrew everything the rest of the game. Whether that's overcompensation or coincidence I don't know.

At some point, and probably more than once, we're going to need a full four quarter performance from him where his play keeps us in a game. Maybe that's Atlanta. It's certainly likely to be needed in January. In any case, thinking back not just over the first nine games this year (because i could argue he hasn't had a good, whole game in 2016...), how often has that happened in his entire tenure here? Can he do that for this team, when they inevitably need him to? Can he do it reliably?

We can talk about how little we need him to do, and let the defense win games, but that's not what he's here for. We didn't give up picks and then big dollars for the 2016 version of Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien. I can guarantee Andy Reid is not trying to field a barely (or below) adequate offense. We eventually will need to see something out of Smith. Something like Joe Flacco's run in the 2012 postseason.

Eh - he didn't badly underthrow Hill as much as he just didn't read the safety, IMO.

If the safety isn't there, it's a dart to Hill and he walks in. With the safety there, he needed to put more air under it to try to loft it up and over the coverage. It was the safeties ability to close that made it look like an underthrow when I don't really think it was (though I could be corrected). In either event, it wasn't like the Foles underthrow the week before; Hill was still running and would've caught it in stride, he just had to flatten out a little bit to change the angle on it.

Without the safety, it works like a charm and it's a TD. But again, because the speed seemed so far beyond Smith yesterday, I think he just completely failed to look that safety off or at least check to see if he was there. He just looked so much like a rookie out there. That's the best way I can describe it. He just looked like he'd forgotten everything about how quickly things move, knew it and panicked.

dls6501 · 11-14-2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I listed pretty much every important stat. I left out rushing stats which, again, Alex dominated...

If you still think Peyton was better last year then I think you are simply an Alex hater. I'm not saying Alex is great, he isn't, but he is not as bad as many on here make him out to be.

He's a good manager who can sometimes play at an elite level and sometimes play like sh*t. Not having the best year as of now but plenty of time to turn things around.

First of all, I never once said that Peyton was better last year than Alex is this year. Not once. You are completely putting words in my mouth.

What I said was, I disagree with you that Alex is "a lot better" this year than Peyton was last year. That is literally all I have been arguing.

And it is funny that you are using counting stats to compare the two, when the Alex Fan Club has told me over and over again its all about the percentages, ratios and efficiency.

When you include those stats, there is absolutely no way you can say that one QB was "a lot better" than the other....which is the only thing I have been saying this whole time.

DJ's left nut · 11-14-2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

You can say one is playing a lot better than the other all you want, but statistically that doesnt hold water. Alex has some statistics that he is better this year than Peyton was last year, there are some where Peyton was better, and there are some that are about the same.

Sorry, but the idea that Alex is "a lot better" than Peyton was last year couldnt be more inaccurate.

Nah - Smith's light year's better than Manning was last year.

Manning missed 5 straight games at one point and at the end of the 5th game he STILL led the league in interceptions.

Everything else is multiplying by zero. He wasn't Kurt Warner out there throwing bombs because the risk was worth the reward and he was capable of 4500 yard and 40 TDs. No, he was throwing wounded ducks and 2-3 interceptions a game while being completely immobile in the backfield.

Alex Smith is playing poorly this year but if you wouldn't take him over what the Broncos got out of Manning for most of last year, I suspect you weren't paying much attention. Manning was ghastly.

O.city · 11-14-2016, 02:30 PM

He is but I don't understand why smith is playing so poorly. I mean, what's changed here?

To me, he looks terrified in the pocket. It's a 2 count and then his eyes are down and he's looking to move.

If he's mentally shot in the pocket, they've gotta move on

DJ's left nut · 11-14-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He is but I don't understand why smith is playing so poorly. I mean, what's changed here?

To me, he looks terrified in the pocket. It's a 2 count and then his eyes are down and he's looking to move.

If he's mentally shot in the pocket, they've gotta move on

I watched it happen at Mizzou with Gabbert and really, it happened a little with Daniel before that.

Once QBs start watching the rush, it's over. Very few of them ever really break free of it.

Smith isn't nearly as bad as some guys I've seen...but he was yesterday. If that's the new normal for him, we'll have no choice but to move on.

carcosa · 11-14-2016, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He is but I don't understand why smith is playing so poorly. I mean, what's changed here?

To me, he looks terrified in the pocket. It's a 2 count and then his eyes are down and he's looking to move.

If he's mentally shot in the pocket, they've gotta move on

He can always hear his wife and kids sobbing quietly in the back of his mind...

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2294064	I don't think the chiefs are weak opposite peters. Unknown maybe, but they haven't been getting torched. Houston is a big addition (if he's healthy and normal, which we'll see) to all aspects here in what he will do for everyone. With houston, you can't chip ford, you can't always do u le poe etc. 2 legit rushers outside improve the pass d as well. The defense got torched against the steelers. Outside that, they're doing a bang up job against legit offenses.
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11-14-2016, 02:30 PM	#343
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2294064	He is but I don't understand why smith is playing so poorly. I mean, what's changed here? To me, he looks terrified in the pocket. It's a 2 count and then his eyes are down and he's looking to move. If he's mentally shot in the pocket, they've gotta move on
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