It's time we ban pitbulls

[MOhillbilly]

Cochief, you need to dig deeper than AR pages and wiki for the truth about what is and what isn't a "pit bulldog".
Most that get labeled pit bull are only bastard cousins of the original breed. Those who have the Old Family dogs aren't advertising any longer.

[COchief]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

Cochief, you need to dig deeper than AR pages and wiki for the truth about what is and what isn't a "pit bulldog".
Most that get labeled pit bull are only bastard cousins of the original breed. Those who have the Old Family dogs aren't advertising any longer.

I know you're way into this and admittedly have much more knowledge on the subject than I do. It really pisses me off when people take the angle of "That wasn't a pit, it had 1/18th lab in it" when basically they are just trying to thin the number and brutality of the attacks.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by COchief

I know you're way into this and admittedly have much more knowledge on the subject than I do. It really pisses me off when people take the angle of "That wasn't a pit, it had 1/18th lab in it" when basically they are just trying to thin the number and brutality of the attacks.

Winning combo here. Stupid and a pussy

[COchief]

Originally Posted by KC native

Winning combo here. Stupid and a pussy

Got anything other than pussy internet tough guy?

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by COchief

I know you're way into this and admittedly have much more knowledge on the subject than I do. It really pisses me off when people take the angle of "That wasn't a pit, it had 1/18th lab in it" when basically they are just trying to thin the number and brutality of the attacks.

Once the box is open, ya dig?

[MOhillbilly]

Cochief, when the breed split is when the problem started. When Bloodlines got away from dogfighting and the word "pit bull" was done to death show dog people and dog fighters split and that was that. Dog men kept pit bull and show dog people couldn't distance themselves fast enough.
If I remember correctly this happened in the 30s.
The truth these days is that the dogs are so blurred that it would take ten years of study and a foot in the game to truely understand what is and what isn't.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

It's time we ran pitbulls? Like Spain and bulls? Interesting

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

In this particular instance, you can't be talking about multiple breeds and have that fit into a discussion talking about how the pit bull "breed" kills more than any other breed. If you're going to lump a bunch of breeds together, of course you're going to be creating an opportunity to skew the data. I'm sure you understand that, right?

Or, again, you're an idiot.

And I understand that people like to lump various breeds under the same "pit bull" heading. Nonetheless, they're not confusing bull mastiffs with American Bulldogs in the article I cited. Dumbass.

this caught my eye because I own a bully, my second one. he's a sweetheart (pics in my profile). people often confuse mastiffs and bullmastiffs. a mastiff being the original big bubba going 200+ lbs....the bully be a cross between a bulldog and a mastiff going more 140/150-ish for males. amazing that at one point in time bulldogs were big enough to breed with a mastiff....think about that. todays diluted bulldogs would probably die giving birth.

mastiffs & bullmastiffs kill people from time to time, so of course it must be the breed...right? just a matter of time before other breeds get lumped in with the pits.
give me a pit puppy and come back in 3 years. I'll have a family friendly dog to show you, albeit one capable of deadly damage....just like my bully Dozer. my first one, Tank, helped teach my youngest to walk. deadly deadly animals!

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by frankotank

give me a pit puppy and come back in 3 years. I'll have a family friendly dog to show you, albeit one capable of deadly damage....just like my bully Dozer. my first one, Tank, helped teach my youngest to walk. deadly deadly animals!

Exactly. I'd say the same thing. I got to meet a real good looking 2 year old female out running around with no collar or leash. She ran right out in front of the patrol car and almost got hit by me and another. Unfortunately, from lines of thinking expressed in the media and this thread, my first thought was of hope I wouldn't have to shoot this dog.

I approached cautiously and called to her with as much confidence as I could muster at the time and very quickly realized how afraid she was. We made friends fast when I produced part of my lunch, a QT hotdog.

Turns out she had a chip. Owners recently moved to a new house about ten miles away. She got out one night and wondered for a out a day before she ended up in front of my work car.

Just happened the other night and thought I'd share. Point is, it's more the owner than the breed. I don't care for any pseudo expert telling me different.

[COchief]

I am going to get a couple of these and roll through the hood and see how bad ass those pits and their owners are, guaranteed they would go running for the hills in a NY minute.

Also about owner not breed bullshit, what about this breed? Ever seen Cesar Milan's pit Daddy? He has been owned by one of the top dog trainers in the world for 15+ years and Cesar still has to watch his ass like a hawk at feeding time so he doesn't rip some other dogs throat out. Explain that "owner not breed" people?

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by COchief

I am going to get a couple of these and roll through the hood and see how bad ass those pits and their owners are, guaranteed they would go running for the hills in a NY minute.

Also about owner not breed bullshit, what about this breed? Ever seen Cesar Milan's pit Daddy? He has been owned by one of the top dog trainers in the world for 15+ years and Cesar still has to watch his ass like a hawk at feeding time so he doesn't rip some other dogs throat out. Explain that "owner not breed" people?

nah man...if you wanna roll thru the hood straight stone cold PIMPING....you want an Irish Wolfhound....cause like....they were raised to kill WOLVES yo!



owner not breed is not bullshit. you don't think the inordinate amount of complete morons getting pits and teaching them to be hostile hasn't contributed to the hatred of the breed??? of course it has.

give me 10 pit puppies. I raise them and most if not all will be family friendly. per my previous post though, some dogs just don't play nice, regardless of breed or owner.

some dogs are bad. but not all dogs of a given breed are bad, and furthermore, as in the pit situation, the majority of the bad dogs (not ALL) is a direct result of the owners.

[COchief]

Originally Posted by frankotank

stuff.

Ah dude, a CMD would tear that skinny piece of shit to pieces in a god damn second. That thing probably couldn't even get it's teeth through the thick coat of the CMD. Seriously, read below on these, they are absolutely insane.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/caucasianowtcharka.htm

I got interested in these after watching a Russian prison doc where they had the things caged up, needless to say, escape attempts were extremely rare.

I take it your argument on "Daddy" is that Cesar didn't have him from a puppy? I don't know dude, 15+ years, one of the best trainers in the world? I mean I can let that slide, but not without a heaping helping side of skepticism.

I look forward to meeting your well-trained and behaved CMD in a few years (actually I don't), a lot of it is breed. I know the community has had a lot to do with the pit problems, but the community chose pits for a very good reason.

[frankotank]

my parents neighbors had the sweetest dog ever...Sadie....she didn't know she was a pit!
the CAPABILITY of doing damage is in every dog. the AMOUNT of damage is breed specific and it doesn't get much higher than with a pit. but a shepherd, mastiff, collie, spaniel....they can all mess you up. it really is the owner for the most part. however, some dogs just ain't nice, regardless of breed. hell they're like people, you got good and bad. I raised an American Tundra Shepherd from puppyhood and she just....wasn't....ummm....overly friendly. yeah, I'll put it that way. I don't really think it was my fault...or hers I guess...just the way she was. family was fine, other people....hey is your dog nice? umm, no, not really!

[COchief]

Originally Posted by frankotank

the CAPABILITY of doing damage is in every dog. the AMOUNT of damage is breed specific and it doesn't get much higher than with a pit.

This is the main point that people do not seem to understand, it is the same reason why you can own a handgun but can't legally buy a mini-gun. All dogs can snap, but the damage and brutality of a pit attack is miles above other breeds.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by frankotank

my parents neighbors had the sweetest dog ever...Sadie....she didn't know she was a pit!
the CAPABILITY of doing damage is in every dog. the AMOUNT of damage is breed specific and it doesn't get much higher than with a pit. but a shepherd, mastiff, collie, spaniel....they can all mess you up. it really is the owner for the most part. however, some dogs just ain't nice, regardless of breed. hell they're like people, you got good and bad. I raised an American Tundra Shepherd from puppyhood and she just....wasn't....ummm....overly friendly. yeah, I'll put it that way. I don't really think it was my fault...or hers I guess...just the way she was. family was fine, other people....hey is your dog nice? umm, no, not really!

I tend to have the giants: Mastiffs, Great Danes, St. Bernards and the like. I have to be extremely vigilant in public, because all it takes is one idiot pissing off a dog of that size and I'll be dealing with death/significant damage if I'm not quick enough to diffuse the situation. If I'm dealing with something as relatively small as a pit bull, I can just use the leash to make him go airborne, and I've had to do that in the past. Frankly, I get a chuckle out of people worrying about the "pit bull" problem, because most of the attacks are avoidable.

Don't leave children alone with dogs, and always monitor their play
Never assume any dog is friendly, regardless of what the owner claims
Never reach for a dog until he's checked you out and made it clear he's ok with you
Never run from a dog unless there's safety within a few feet of you
Don't walk up to strange dogs
Never look a strange dog in the eye

Follow those rules and you eliminate the vast majority of fatal dog attacks, regardless of breed.