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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 11-11-2015, 02:55 PM   #316
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I like other teams' fans' reaction to that possibility:

Crap!

Just what they need.

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Old 11-11-2015, 03:07 PM   #317
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I'd def be on board with that. He's a player.
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Old 11-11-2015, 03:34 PM   #318
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Just spitballin'....

Is there going to be a possibility in the future that instead of a 5 man rotation with a 6-7 bullpen guys, that some teams are going to go like 3 2nd tier starters with 8-9 bullpen guys, to somewhat offset the high cost of starting pitchers in the market?

Plus, outside of some high end starters, it's pretty well documented that the 3rd time around the batting order on the same starting pitcher is when his #'s tend to go up.

Thoughts?
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Old 11-11-2015, 03:35 PM   #319
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Any idea if what he might be getting? 3 for 25?
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Old 11-11-2015, 03:39 PM   #320
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Any idea if what he might be getting? 3 for 25?
That sounds about right. Probably think Zack Duke from last year, maybe?

I'm sure O'Day's agent was thrilled to see that get out. Probably planted it. I would not expect GMDM to drop an AAV $8 million/year on another bullpen arm. But right now he could sign Jim Abbott to pitch right-handed and I'd probably give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 11-11-2015, 03:49 PM   #321
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That's kinda my thoughts too. We are looking at a 2 year window...why not sellout & go for it. Keep Gordon & Zobrist. Sign Heyward. Sign a pitcher like Leake or Zimmerman. Resign CY.

Go for it!

Heyward
Zobrist
Cain
Hosmer
Chris Davis
Gordon
Perez
Moose
Esky

That's a powerful, fast, athletic lineup that has a plus defender at each position.

Zimmerman
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Grienke
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Bullpen is still strong.

Go for it!
Yep that would work. Do it Glass!!
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Old 11-11-2015, 04:09 PM   #322
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I wondered if that was a possibility.
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Old 11-11-2015, 04:18 PM   #323
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Just spitballin'....

Is there going to be a possibility in the future that instead of a 5 man rotation with a 6-7 bullpen guys, that some teams are going to go like 3 2nd tier starters with 8-9 bullpen guys, to somewhat offset the high cost of starting pitchers in the market?

Plus, outside of some high end starters, it's pretty well documented that the 3rd time around the batting order on the same starting pitcher is when his #'s tend to go up.

Thoughts?
Hasn't the Royals already done this ?

I mean, haven't you heard, aces don't matter?
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Old 11-11-2015, 04:22 PM   #324
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I wondered if that was a possibility.
Might as well bring Greinke back as well. Just get the whole gang back again.
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Old 11-11-2015, 04:26 PM   #325
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Might as well bring Greinke back as well. Just get the whole gang back again.
It would be the mist Grienke thing ever for him to come back here and sign a contract well below market value. Come on, ZG...5 years $100,000,000.
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Old 11-11-2015, 04:34 PM   #326
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I'm down

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We are in an off-season in which the executives have earned all trust and benefit of the doubt? What the **** am I supposed to bitch?
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Old 11-11-2015, 05:34 PM   #330
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What a great year for Perez-World Series MVP and 3rd straight Gold Glove.

If he keeps playing like this- he will be in the HOF some day.

They were talking about that on tv. He definitely is heading in that direction.
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