Tom Brady; least clutch QB in NFL history?

[Hootie]

(Slow day at work for me, guys):

Tom Brady:

2005: Gets crushed by Jake Plummer and the Denver Broncos. Plays HORRENDOUSLY. Embarrassingly bad.

2006: Blows an 18 point lead to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. Plays horrendously, and ends the game in Indy territory throwing a game ending INT to Marlon Jackson. Great clutch play.

2007: 18-1. Scores 14 points in the Super Bowl in a game they are favored to win by 13.5. Also, in the AFCCG against the Chargers, he posted a QB rating of 18 and threw 3 INT's. Very clutch, I know.

2008: KNEE CRUSHER; Cassel wins 11 games as starting QB.

2009: Gets OBLITERATED by Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Loses the game single-handedly in the 1st quarter and posts a WHOPPING QBR OF 4.2. Not a typo. FOUR POINT TWO. FOUR POINT TWO. In reference, Peyton posted a 24.4 last year against Seattle in the Super Bowl. So picture how bad that performance was, and multiply it by about 25.

2010: Lost @ home to MARK SANCHEZ AND THE JETS. But don't worry guys, Tom Brady doubled his QBR in this one and posted a respectable 8.7 EIGHT POINT SEVEN.

2011: Got to the Super Bowl by beating Tim Tebow, playing HORRENDOUSLY against the Ravens (again) in the Lee Evans game, and then overthrowing Welker to lose another Super Bowl. Clutch.

2012: Got obliterated by Joe Flacco and the Ravens despite being favored by 7. He posted a respectable 40 QBR, though, and only lost by 15 ... despite Peyton beating the team the week before only to be Rahim Moore'd. Great clutch play.

2013: Beat Andrew Luck despite throwing 0 TD's. Lost to Peyton Manning, while playing another mediocre game. 1 TD. Very clutch, Mr. Brady!

So, in short, the biggest playoff choking QB in the NFL right now is Tom Brady. In all of those aforementioned choke jobs, he was favored to lose TWICE, both to Peyton Manning (both losses).

Any more myths you want be to bust?

4.2 QBR and 8.7 QBR is Rex Grossman bad, in case anyone wanted a reference point.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Your trolling sucks. You're repeating the same bullshit time and again.

And, of course there's an excuse for the loss, you moron. The list of legit reasons is quite long, in fact. It just doesn't matter in the end, because they lost. Having legit reasons for losing doesn't change that. It just gives legit reasons.

So Brady gets a pass because of things that go wrong in a game ...

but Peyton is a choker.

GOT IT

OH WAIT

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YOU GET THE POINT?

[RunKC]

So Hootie, who is more clutch than Brady in your mind. Let's see who these clutch QB's are.

[Hootie]

I don't think the word clutch applies to NFL QB's.

QB's can have clutch performances ... sure. Both Tom and Peyton have been clutch in the postseason before. And both have come up short. And both have made boneheaded plays. And both have made great plays where one of their teammates ****s up.

But referring to Tom Brady as "one of the most clutch QB's" ever is hilarious to me. He has 8 straight playoff exits, losing 6 favored games, and losing the other 2 to a QB that is considered the least clutch QB ever.

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it's hypocrisy at its finest.

Kaepernick and Wilson have been the two clutchest QB's the last two years. And one of those guys can't play a lick this year. Although, I think when they get rid of Harbaugh (who is grossly overrated) and the new coach lets him run the read option again, he'll be a beast again.

[Nightfyre]

Then why do you ascribe a clutch factor to Brady in the title of your thread, Hootie?

[Hootie]

If you're asking me my 2015 top QB's if Manning doesn't retire (for 1 year only), it would look like this:

***ONE YEAR ONLY***

1. Rodgers
2. Wilson
3. Brady
4. P. Manning
5. Roethlisberger
6. Rivers
7. Luck
8. Brees
9. E. Manning
10. Ryan

This is for 1 year only, not looking into anything else than winning a championship for 1 year in 2015.

[RunKC]

Brady has 31 4th q comebacks and 42 game winning drives. 4th and 5th all time respectively.

He's led the Patriots on THREE game winning Super Bowl drives.

In 2013 Brady had 5 4th q comebacks and game winning drives. His most in a decade.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Then why do you ascribe a clutch factor to Brady in the title of your thread, Hootie?

Quite simple.

To prove a point.

Brady is not more clutch than Manning. Manning is not more clutch than Brady. E. Manning is certainly not more clutch than either of those guys.

The entire point of the thread is to get people away from thinking Tom Brady is "one of the most clutch NFL QB's of all-time" because it is false.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

If you're asking me my 2015 top QB's if Manning doesn't retire (for 1 year only), it would look like this:

***ONE YEAR ONLY***

1. Rodgers
2. Wilson
3. Brady
4. P. Manning
5. Roethlisberger
6. Rivers
7. Luck
8. Brees
9. E. Manning
10. Ryan

This is for 1 year only, not looking into anything else than winning a championship for 1 year in 2015.

Nobody is asking for your opinion or rankings on QBs and especially not after this thread.

[RunKC]

How is Russell Wilson clutch?

The Seahawks could have literally put several QB's in Wilson's place to beat the Saints and Broncos lat season.

[Hootie]

In 2013, Tom Brady lost to Peyton Manning in the playoffs.

Tom Brady led his team to 3 field goal drives while those teams were later penalized for one of the biggest scandals in NFL history.

His FG kicker was clutch. In fact, his postseason kicking is probably one of the most clutch cumulative performances in NFL history.

Enough is enough.

Tom Brady and the Spygate Patriots of 10+ years ago are no longer a good barometer of what kind of postseason QB Tom Brady is.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by RunKC

How is Russell Wilson clutch?

The Seahawks could have literally put several QB's in Wilson's place to beat the Saints and Broncos lat season.

Go watch the game he lost to the Falcons in 2012 and get back to me.

[Hootie]

literally the clutchest performance I've seen in the past 3 years in the playoffs was the Seahawks playoff loss to the Falcons. Wilson was the best player on the field and in the 2nd half he almost single-handedly won them a game. He was unbelievable. It was incredible.

The 2nd best one I've seen was Rodgers losing to the Cardinals the Warner year. Jennings ****ed up a game winning TD catch in OT from like 80 yards out.

These are two losses where each QB was amazingly clutch.

[Don Corlemahomes]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Brady is not more clutch than Manning. Manning is not more clutch than Brady. E. Manning is certainly not more clutch than either of those guys.

Wait, I thought you wanted to get away from Manning earlier. Your thought process is maniacal, making it nearly impossible to follow.

[Don Corlemahomes]

This thread is such a dumpster fire. My head hurts just trying to figure out why it exists.

[Ming the Merciless]

Hootie 2.0 is bugged, some sort of herp virus or derpware.


Waiting on 2.1 or 3.0