**2016 Official NBA Playoffs Thread**

[KC_Connection]

Round 1:

EAST:

#8 Pistons @ #1 Cavs
#7 Pacers @ #2 Raptors
#6 Hornets @ #3 Heat
#5 Celtics @ #4 Hawks

WEST:
#8 Rockets @ #1 Warriors
#7 Grizzlies @ #2 Spurs
#6 Mavericks @ #3 Thunder
#5 Blazers @ #4 Clippers

[milkman]

Originally Posted by staylor26

What a ridiculous conclusion. This old ****er is officially senile.

How are you doing, Little Dane?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by milkman

How are you doing, Little Dane?

I disagree with your take, but I just wanted to give you shit also.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

LeBron did play with someone like Pippen. Dwayne Wade who won a championship without LeBron and was the Finals MVP that year. LeBron left as soon as they lost to the Spurs in the finals... That was his choice...

Who is better Wade or Pippen? Probably Pippen but it is closer than you think. Wade is pretty damn good, a much better scorer than Pippen ever was.

not even close

[KevB]

MJ is the best, and I'll give you another reason to have that opinion. Listen to all of the HOF players that have been referenced from that era. They all say the same thing. Guys like Magic, Bird, Barkley, etc. speak with reverence about MJ. I'm not sure if they've all actually said he's the best ever (I know some have), but they've all given him more respect than any other player I've heard spoken about in history.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

not even close

Bill Simmons Pyramid of best players ever a few years ago had Pip at 24 and Wade at 28. Wade has continued to accrue stats and had a bit of a resurgence this season. I'd argue they are very close in all time ranking, both somewhere in the 20's.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by KevB

Bill Simmons Pyramid of best players ever a few years ago had Pip at 24 and Wade at 28. Wade has continued to accrue stats and had a bit of a resurgence this season. I'd argue they are very close in all time ranking, both somewhere in the 20's.

Wade and Kobe match up extremely close as well.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by KevB

Bill Simmons Pyramid of best players ever a few years ago had Pip at 24 and Wade at 28. Wade has continued to accrue stats and had a bit of a resurgence this season. I'd argue they are very close in all time ranking, both somewhere in the 20's.

sure in stats, but Pippen could guard 1 to 5 at an elite level on defense. Wade could never do that.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

sure in stats, but Pippen could guard 1 to 5 at an elite level on defense. Wade could never do that.

That's true but Wade was the better offensive player... it isn't even close in that department. Pippen's best season scoring wise was 22 ppg Wade was 30.2 ppg.. Big difference.

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Wade and Kobe match up extremely close as well.

YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ARROW BACK IN HERE

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lebron literally steps over Draymond, putting his groin area on Draymond's back. Have you guys even watched the ****ing play?

What do you expect a grown man to do in that situation? Draymond reacted by swinging his arm and since Lebron's groin was the closest thing there it was in that direction.

They were both guilty of flagrants, and yes Lebron started it, he clearly stepped over him like that on purpose, BUT that was strike 1 for Lebron and strike 3 for Green.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

That's true but Wade was the better offensive player... it isn't even close in that department. Pippen's best season scoring wise was 22 ppg Wade was 30.2 ppg.. Big difference.

Yea but it's apples to oranges.

I said Lebron never played with a guy like Pippen. The only counter was Dwayne Wade, WHO IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE PIPPEN, so really Lebron still never played with a guy like Pippen. Wade was a slasher/elite offensive player who made a bunch of all stars and had 0 all defensive team awards. Pippen made 8 first team NBA defense.

Has Lebron ever played with someone who made NBA All Defense First Team even ONCE in his career? Maybe Bosh? I don't even think he has one.

MJ/Pippen would probably be like if Lebron and Kawhi Leonard (though he lacks the passer skills) or this seasons Draymond Green (first year he really put up Pippen-like stats.) teamed up and still they aren't as all around offense + elite defense as Pippen was.

There is no current NBA player that could be Lebron's Pippen really. Jordan had an elite talent next to him for a long time.

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by TimBone

YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ARROW BACK IN HERE

Lol. You all like stats, I like championships. That being said, Kobe's stats and list of accomplishments speak for themselves. I don't have to regurgitate them. MJ knows who was MJ after MJ, whether people wanted to embrace it or not.

[ARROW2]

Listen to MJ talk, it is clear he respects kobe more than anybody else who came after him

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

not even close

Wade won a ring without Lebron. Pippen never won without Jordan.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by KevB

MJ is the best, and I'll give you another reason to have that opinion. Listen to all of the HOF players that have been referenced from that era. They all say the same thing. Guys like Magic, Bird, Barkley, etc. speak with reverence about MJ. I'm not sure if they've all actually said he's the best ever (I know some have), but they've all given him more respect than any other player I've heard spoken about in history.

Look at all of the elite players who never were able to win a ring because of Jordan:

Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Miller, Payton, Kemp, Ewing and you could have probably added Olajuwon and Drexler to that list if he never retired.