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Old 01-16-2015, 10:40 PM  
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LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"?
Part of me wants to think so.

We saw flashes in 2013 of him testing defenses downfield and being a lot more than a game manager.

Then his OL got severely downgraded through 3 big losses in free agency (all 3 got overpaid) and his 2 guards weren't even nfl quality, let alone starter quality.

His receivers needed a major upgrade last offseason (they were an obvious team weakness) and other than adding Jason Avant late in the year and developing a promising rookie in Albert Wilson...not a whole lot was done to help provide Alex Smith with adequate weapons. Losing Avery to injury further weakened an already subpar unit.

Here's my question:

If they improve the OL and receivers...will we see Alex Smith come out of his shell again (like we saw flashes of in the second half of 2013)?

If he does, how far can this team go if the defense plays like it has and Dee Ford steps into Hali's shoes adequately?
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:14 PM   #301
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Name one team with a bottom 5 OL that won a SB in the last 20 years.
The Steeler and Packer lines were garbage.
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:16 PM   #302
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How do you rate "bottom 5"?
How do you rate "world class OL"?

http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...ffensive-lines

Here is a list of OL rankings. We weren't bottom 5, but we were bad.

Still, where the Chiefs OL rated is irrelevant to my point. He wanted to know what team with a "world Class OL" won a SB with a non-franchise QB, so I asked him to name a team with a bottom 5 OL that won even with a franchise QB. It works both ways, which some of you guys fail to see. And THAT was my point, which clearly went right over your head. I hope you at least heard it go by.
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:19 PM   #303
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How do you rate "world class OL"?

http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...ffensive-lines

Here is a list of OL rankings. We weren't bottom 5, but we were bad.

Still, where the Chiefs OL rated is irrelevant to my point. He wanted to know what team with a "world Class OL" won a SB with a non-franchise QB, so I asked him to name a team with a bottom 5 OL that won even with a franchise QB. It works both ways, which some of you guys fail to see.
So you think non-franchise = bottom five? If you define it that way, I guess it does work both ways. If you define non-franchise as not top 10, then no it doesn't.
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:28 PM   #304
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Alex wasn't even Andy's first choice. It's clear as day Nick Foles was his guy. He didn't even get permission from the Eagles to acquire Foles.

And look at what the **** he did in his 2nd year. And he can make throws downfield.

Alex was the obvious choice in 2013. It appears that we are building the team up for said rookie QB to excel in early on.
Big Ben, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning and Tom Brady are perfect examples of this theory.

I fully expect us to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the next 3 drafts. Alex isn't getting any younger and he for damn sure won't be seeing $20.6 million dollars at age 34.
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:34 PM   #305
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So you think non-franchise = bottom five? If you define it that way, I guess it does work both ways. If you define non-franchise as not top 10, then no it doesn't.
That sound you just heard? My point going right over your head.
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This team would be pretty exciting if we had scored Nick Foles.
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That sound you just heard? My point going right over your head.
Top 5 QB and an average OL? No problem. You can win a championship.

Average QB and a top 5 OL? You're screwed.
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I would have like Foles too.
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How do you rate "world class OL"?

http://www.advancedfootballanalytics...ffensive-lines

Here is a list of OL rankings. We weren't bottom 5, but we were bad.

Still, where the Chiefs OL rated is irrelevant to my point. He wanted to know what team with a "world Class OL" won a SB with a non-franchise QB, so I asked him to name a team with a bottom 5 OL that won even with a franchise QB. It works both ways, which some of you guys fail to see. And THAT was my point, which clearly went right over your head. I hope you at least heard it go by.

You're an idiot.

I asked because I was going to mention the line on the Packers most recent Super Bowl run.
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I would have like Foles too.
Lots of extra money to put the pieces around him to a championship with.

Has a set of balls.

Can build around him and have a 10+ year window.

Is the type of player this fanbase would LOVE.
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Old 01-18-2015, 07:44 AM   #311
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I don't want to hear anymore about how it's Andy Reid's fault Alex doesn't throw it downfield.

McNabb threw it down field all game every game. So did Vick and Foles.

Here are the amount of throws OVER 20 YARDS IN THE AIR, NOT YAC McNabb has each year.

04 71
05 38
06 47
07 43
08 62
09 48

Mike Vick threw 55 passes over 20 yards in the air in 2010 (in 12 games)
In 2011 he threw 50 in 13 games
He threw 42 in 2012 in 9 games

Then came Nick Foles who threw 27 passes over 20 yards in the air in 8 starts under Reid.

Alex Smith only threw 18 passes ALL YEAR that traveled 20 yards in the air or more.

18

I don't want to ever hear how that's Andy Reid's fault....or the offenses fault.

The offense is built to test defenses deep constantly.
Smith won't go down field because he has to many easy check downs in Reid's horizontal offense.

Never stop the Reidcuses.
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The line above that describing the offense as outdated.

It's not the offense, it's the guy running it on the field.

No worries though. Were in agreement.
Whom Reid went all in with him But considering Reid won't change his offense to force the ball down field. It all falls back on Reid and his horizontal offense.
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Alex wasn't even Andy's first choice. It's clear as day Nick Foles was his guy. He didn't even get permission from the Eagles to acquire Foles.

And look at what the **** he did in his 2nd year. And he can make throws downfield.

Alex was the obvious choice in 2013. It appears that we are building the team up for said rookie QB to excel in early on.
Big Ben, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning and Tom Brady are perfect examples of this theory.

I fully expect us to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the next 3 drafts. Alex isn't getting any younger and he for damn sure won't be seeing $20.6 million dollars at age 34.
He traded 2 2nd round picks for Smith. If he wasn't his guy then he is monumentally more stupid than I give home credit for.

You guys are killing your reidcuses defense with these rebuttals.
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Smith won't go down field because he has to many easy check downs in Reid's horizontal offense.

Never stop the Reidcuses.
Well you should have easy check downs. This isn't Madden where you send 4 wideouts deep on every play.
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Well you should have easy check downs. This isn't Madden where you send 4 wideouts deep on every play.
So down field mean strictly 9 routes?
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