Talking Draft Prospects - Page 21

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

Spoiler!

Saccopoo · 12-31-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I want Koyack.

No one can tell...

John Dope · 12-31-2014, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Like this season when he put up 51 on Utah in Salt Lake City or 45 on Stanford or 46 on Michigan State?

All of those teams have a better defense than Florida State.
Dude is having a better year this year than last without Chip Kelly.

I don't know how much PAC12 football you've watched this year, but Oregon has absolutely buzz sawed a lot of very good teams, primarily because of Mariota.

I'm not a huge fan and think he'll need a period of adjustment at the next level, but the kid is, without question, insanely talented and a hell of a football player.

Winston is too, but he's not very careful with the ball and truly has sociopathic tendencies. Personally, I think that Winston is supported by his team substantially more than Mariota is and FSU has had one of the most lackluster/uninspired seasons I've seen. I'm not so sure that guys in the NFL, veterans, are going to be willing to put up with Winston's over-the-top self-aggrandizing, sermonizing locker room schtick. Winston vociferousness and loquaciousness isn't a sign of "alpha male," it just means he's obnoxious.

What makes them better defenses? Stats? They had to play much tougher defenses man. You are talking about two very different conferences.

Not sure where you are coming from about Winston. Sociopath? Maybe but, the dude has carried that team at times. A lot of times in two years actually. The offense he runs is a lot more complicated. He is better at making reads and he is much more accurate. I guess we'll see. I think Oregon gets a beat down.

Nightfyre · 12-31-2014, 12:05 PM

Florida State has a decent defense this year, but it is not as good as last year. Plus, if anything, 2014 has been a break out year for the PAC12 and a step back for the SEC. The ACC stayed about the same.

John Dope · 12-31-2014, 01:05 PM

SEC and ACC are light years ahead of the PAC12 imo. I have no idea why you would think it's a break out year for the PAC 12.

Nightfyre · 12-31-2014, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by John Dope

SEC and ACC are light years ahead of the PAC12 imo. I have no idea why you would think it's a break out year for the PAC 12.

Well for starters, 6 of the 12 teams were in the top 25 this year this is on par with 7/14 from the SEC. Furthermore, thusfar the Pac 12 is 4-0 in Bowl games this year, which compares favorably to the SEC who is currently 4-2. (I am counting Ole Miss as a loss since they are currently down 42-0.)

kccrow · 12-31-2014, 06:54 PM

I use a crude scale to rate the conferences hahaha... but here's my score for 2014:

	QUALITY	QUANTITY	TOTAL
SEC	188	98	286
PAC-12	138	84	222
ACC	102	56	158
BIG 12	112	42	154
BIG 10	98	56	154
MOUNTAIN WEST	12	14	26
	650	350	1000

Direckshun · 01-01-2015, 12:02 PM

WR Jaelen Strong, Arizona State -- I get less impressed with Strong the more and more I watch him. He looks like a Dwayne Bowe clone coming out of LSU, actually, except without the elite body control and huge frame to shield off defenders. Strong has a ceiling as a very good #2 in the NFL -- he's not a guy you can count on to blow up a CB off the line of scrimmage. He will time well, but on the field he looks to have Jonathan Baldwin speed, in that he gets faster the longer he runs a straight line. He's got great after-the-catch ability, but I don't like many things he does prior to getting the ball. He's not a very good route-runner, and he's not going to be great at getting open quickly for your QB. Instead, he'll be a reliable weapon when defenses are focusing on your #1 CB. He's very long (measures 6'3" but looks damn near 6'5") with good size that doesn't really show as Bowe-like bulk (217 lbs). He's capable of pulling off the WOW play from time to time, but he is unexceptional on the snap-in, snap-out work where offenses will reliably need him. He has great ceiling because of his physical gifts, and could work especially well in a wide-open offense with an accurate QB who can take advantage of his long arms. At this point, I like him as a 2nd rounder.

O.city · 01-01-2015, 12:37 PM

So just saw a mock that has us taking Kendricks in the first round.

That's bad right?

Saccopoo · 01-01-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So just saw a mock that has us taking Kendricks in the first round.

That's bad right?

jonzie04 · 01-01-2015, 01:55 PM

Maxx Williams, I want him.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-01-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

Maxx Williams, I want him.

With a name like Williams, he must be a stud.

jonzie04 · 01-01-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

With a name like Williams, he must be a stud.

Saccopoo · 01-01-2015, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Dope

He's definately a little off but, he will win in the NFL. I have no doubt about that. When you break it all down, that's the most important thing. I'm not sure Mariotta will win. I can't wait to watch him play a good defense tomorrow night. I think he's gonna choke. This is his chance to show he can lead.

Ahem...

Rose Bowl Records set by Oregon vs. Florida State tonight:

Most Points in a Half
Most Points in a Game
Most Total Yards

Nightfyre · 01-01-2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by John Dope

SEC and ACC are light years ahead of the PAC12 imo. I have no idea why you would think it's a break out year for the PAC 12.

Quoted for posterity.

Iconic · 01-01-2015, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So just saw a mock that has us taking Kendricks in the first round.

That's bad right?

Eric Kendricks is a ****ing boss in coverage but he will never provide that same support in the run game. This is exactly why I prefer Denzel Perryman. That guys is destined to be the next Ray Lewis which is exactly why I have no problem with us reaching for him in the first.

09-24-2014, 02:22 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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12-31-2014, 12:05 PM	#303
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	WR Jaelen Strong, Arizona State -- I get less impressed with Strong the more and more I watch him. He looks like a Dwayne Bowe clone coming out of LSU, actually, except without the elite body control and huge frame to shield off defenders. Strong has a ceiling as a very good #2 in the NFL -- he's not a guy you can count on to blow up a CB off the line of scrimmage. He will time well, but on the field he looks to have Jonathan Baldwin speed, in that he gets faster the longer he runs a straight line. He's got great after-the-catch ability, but I don't like many things he does prior to getting the ball. He's not a very good route-runner, and he's not going to be great at getting open quickly for your QB. Instead, he'll be a reliable weapon when defenses are focusing on your #1 CB. He's very long (measures 6'3" but looks damn near 6'5") with good size that doesn't really show as Bowe-like bulk (217 lbs). He's capable of pulling off the WOW play from time to time, but he is unexceptional on the snap-in, snap-out work where offenses will reliably need him. He has great ceiling because of his physical gifts, and could work especially well in a wide-open offense with an accurate QB who can take advantage of his long arms. At this point, I like him as a 2nd rounder.
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01-01-2015, 12:37 PM	#308
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